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Ray Vingnutte - 29 Mar 2005 03:19 GMT
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/ripples_spacetime_dark_energy.html
nightbat - 29 Mar 2005 10:19 GMT
nightbat wrote

> http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/ripples_spacetime_dark_energy.html

nightbat

       Yes, and thanks Ray for that link for it only points out how the
referenced more established cosmologists have run out of present options
to hopefully explain the observed expanding Universe. The reference link
sites the apparent need to go beyond the present cosmic horizon an area
that oc via Wolter's theoretical pointing had purposed long ago. The
need for outer or multi Universe presentation to hopefully close the
gravitational loop is what most all present day astro theorists rely on
or base their profound intricate theoretical models. Except for one, the
nightbat mysterious Mother of all comets, the " Black Comet ".

       ponder on,
       the nightbat
Double-A - 29 Mar 2005 13:34 GMT
> nightbat wrote

http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/ripples_spacetime_dark_energy.html

> nightbat
>
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>         ponder on,
>         the nightbat

It would sound as though we, and all we can see, may only be a tidal
pool being swept over by cosmic waves from the cosmic ocean beyond.  It
has been said that all we see may be only the foam, but now it would
appear that we might not even be in the ocean!  How insignificant is
our place in the grander scale of things!  Yet super-egotists like Bert
still persist in thinking we are at the center of it all!

But this is still only our best way of looking at things so far.

Come the Black Comet...!

Double-A
Whisper - 29 Mar 2005 13:51 GMT
> It would sound as though we, and all we can see, may only be a tidal
> pool being swept over by cosmic waves from the cosmic ocean beyond.  It
> has been said that all we see may be only the foam, but now it would
> appear that we might not even be in the ocean!  How insignificant is
> our place in the grander scale of things!  

'Significance' has no absolute meaning - it's a human concept.

If you were never born the universe wouldn't exist.  If you live to be
100 that would be at best 0.000007% of the known lifespan of universe
(13.7 bil yrs).

The fact you're going to die one day means you're insignificant anyway
without even considering your place in the greater universe.
nightbat - 29 Mar 2005 14:49 GMT
nightbat wrote

> > It would sound as though we, and all we can see, may only be a tidal
> > pool being swept over by cosmic waves from the cosmic ocean beyond.  It
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> The fact you're going to die one day means you're insignificant anyway
> without even considering your place in the greater universe.

nightbat

       A dog sh.tting on the public sidewalk apparently is Universe
significant, for they passed a law against it in NYC. And contrary to
your opinion Double-A has so significantly and brilliantly contributed
to these science newsgroups, that even reported long life net far
advanced Darla star folks have taken notice. (:~)

      ponder on,
      the nightbat
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 30 Mar 2005 01:38 GMT
Hi Double-A  This super-egotist has posted many times that the universe
even if finite is to big to mark its center. Being in a 44 billion
diameter dense cloud(fog) would be impossible to find its center(yes?)
I have further posted that humankind could very well be the only
conscious life in the universe,and the universe created humankind so it
could see itself. It would put us in the center for best viewing in all
directions. Yes Double-A you can throw back at me. We are not in the
center of the solar system. We are very far from the center of our
galaxy.       You however can't say where the Milky Way is in relation
to the universe's center or outer edge    The fact is we have listened
hard for many years for just one signal telling us "we are not alone"
So far that has told us "we are alone"   Until Double-A you can prove we
are not alone I will remain your egotistical virtual friend Bert who is
nice enough to put you with me in the center of the universe   No thank
you is necessary.  We would not want to be in the exact center of the
universe any more than we would want to be in the center of our galaxy.
Bert
Benign Vanilla - 30 Mar 2005 18:09 GMT
> Hi Double-A  This super-egotist has posted many times that the universe
> even if finite is to big to mark its center. Being in a 44 billion
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> you is necessary.  We would not want to be in the exact center of the
> universe any more than we would want to be in the center of our galaxy.

we always ask if there is a center. We never seem to question, does it
matter?

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G=EMC^2 Glazier - 30 Mar 2005 19:14 GMT
Hi BV  It does matter if like our galaxy the center of the universe has
a huge BH  Bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 01 Apr 2005 00:14 GMT
Dark Matter.invisible matter 2 billion LY of gravity lines in space can
be used for the universe's missing gravity.  Bert  Oops forgot about the
intrinsic energy in space.
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 29 Mar 2005 13:38 GMT
Hi Ray,and nightbat  My "what if" has the missing gravity coming from
the mutual gravity waves of all the other universes.  My idea is gravity
can't be blocked.No matter if these muli-universes are separated by a
membrane or trillions of LY. My saying there are as many universes as
flakes of snow in an endless storm fits well with this theory. The fact
that gravity waves go to infinity helps this theory.The fact that
gravities force obeys the inverse square law does not hurt this theory
because of the infinite number of universes.  I see this on a large
scale as a grid(lines of gravity force)              It is this gravity
grid that creates inertia. That makes the fact that gravity and inertia
are in reality the same.                     It must be a good theory
because I explained it to a bar maid,and she understood it.  Its also
short      Bert
nightbat - 29 Mar 2005 14:48 GMT
nightbat wrote

> Hi Ray,and nightbat  My "what if" has the missing gravity coming from
> the mutual gravity waves of all the other universes.  My idea is gravity
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> because I explained it to a bar maid,and she understood it.  Its also
> short      Bert

nightbat

       Hmmmmm, more importantly Bert, did you get her name and number?

       the nightbat
Ray Vingnutte - 30 Mar 2005 05:38 GMT
> Hi Ray,and nightbat  My "what if" has the missing gravity coming from
> the mutual gravity waves of all the other universes.  My idea is
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> theory because I explained it to a bar maid,and she understood it.
> Its also short      Bert

Did you see the Elegant Universe programme on Nova and it's still there
available for viewing. The idea of gravity leaking from universe to
universe is suggested there. May also prove to be a way to communicate
with another universe via this leaking gravity ;-).

It's a good programme, I seen it twice now.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

Might watch it again later ;-)
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 30 Mar 2005 14:42 GMT
Hi Ray  Brian Greene took the place of Richard Feynman for me. Feynman
was my ideal. Yes I did see that program ,and have the book elegant
universe. My term "Its gravity all the way down" fits well with
multi-universes. Bert
Ray Vingnutte - 30 Mar 2005 02:04 GMT
> nightbat wrote
>
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>         ponder on,
>         the nightbat

I expect it was getting a little embarrassing for them, so much of the
stuff yet nowhere to be seen or had. Something had to change and maybe
this will be it.
 
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