a few plausible reason for no chandrayaan pictures
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harmony - 28 Nov 2008 19:31 GMT - there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk outsourced to a 3rd world country. - a non-hindu hostile foreign power is jamming the transimission signals from the orbitting vehicle. - isro photo lab is on strike pending negotiation for pay raise. - isro is looking for a bailout package from u.s. govt. - chandrayaan solar panel is stuck facing the dark side of the moon.
Old Pif - 28 Nov 2008 21:42 GMT > - there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk outsourced > to a 3rd world country. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > - isro is looking for a bailout package from u.s. govt. > - chandrayaan solar panel is stuck facing the dark side of the moon. - the help desk is in Mumbai .
Alan Erskine - 28 Nov 2008 21:45 GMT None of your ideas is plausable. http://www.isro.org/pslv-c11/photos/moon_images.htm
Troll.
BradGuth - 29 Nov 2008 02:54 GMT > - there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk outsourced > to a 3rd world country. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > - isro is looking for a bailout package from u.s. govt. > - chandrayaan solar panel is stuck facing the dark side of the moon. ISRO seems semi fixed. Let us hope it stays fixed.
http://www.isro.org/pslv-c11/photos/moon_images.htm
~ BG
Painius - 29 Nov 2008 03:58 GMT >> - there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk >> outsourced [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ~ BG I wonder what the "e" inside the triangle might be?
http://www.isro.org/Chandrayaan/images/1map_hysi.jpg
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BradGuth - 29 Nov 2008 04:05 GMT > >> - there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk > >> outsourced [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://www.isro.org/Chandrayaan/images/1map_hysi.jpg Good one.
The letter e in that triangle could be just about anything artificial, and otherwise hardly anything all that natural.
~ BG
Painius - 29 Nov 2008 17:40 GMT >> >> - there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk >> >> outsourced [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > ~ BG Also, note the shadowing. If all the little round areas are small craters, then the sunlight is coming from the lower left. So the "e inside the triangle" must be high rather than embedded like the craters, isn't it? It looks like it rises from the surface.
Might be a pilot thing. I remember that some flight units had their group letter painted within a triangle on the tails of their aircraft.
Many astronauts were also aircraft pilots.
Hmm...
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BradGuth - 29 Nov 2008 20:12 GMT > >> >> - there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk > >> >> outsourced [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Hmm... If intentionally relocating Selene from Sirius, you'd have to mark that rock so that just in case it needed further relocation, whereas a given crew of over-worked and under-paid ETs wouldn't move the wrong rock.
Our NASA, DoD and most any government agency tends to make all sorts of mistakes due to improper labeling. Too bad there weren't such big markings of WMD on whatever was supposedly Muslim.
http://www.isro.org/pslv-c11/photos/moon_images.htm
http://altreligion.about.com/library/weekly/aa062003a.htm
“The triangle is one of the most easily recognized religious symbols in the West, most commonly associated with the Christian trinity or Freemasonry”
The letter “e” is also one of the most common letters or written symbols in the human species, and the triangle = Earth
~ BG
Painius - 30 Nov 2008 02:25 GMT >> >> >> - there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk >> >> >> outsourced [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > ~ BG uhm... Brad? I don't really consider my own explanation, that an astronaut/pilot left the "e in a triangle" there on the surface for all future generations to see, to be even *close* to being plausible. So you can probably imagine how even *more* implausible i consider *your* relocating and religious explanation to be.
Relocation of the Moon from the Sirius stellar system is not an option. Selene has been here, in the system of our Sun, and rollin' 'round the Sun with the Earth, almost as long as the Earth has been here. There is far too much evidence, OBJECTIVE evidence, to believe otherwise!
The "e in a triangle" is probably similar to the "face on Mars". It's a natural formation that one might even find while looking up at those beautiful cumulus clouds on a lazy, lovey day, and imagining the many shapes those fluffy clouds can make. I once saw the exact image of a profile of Abraham Lincoln made by a fluffy cloud. It lasted all of about 5 or 10 seconds, but while it was there in the sky, i could almost hear him saying...
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. >Abraham Lincoln
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BradGuth - 30 Nov 2008 04:44 GMT > >> >> >> - there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk > >> >> >> outsourced [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to > speak out and remove all doubt. >Abraham Lincoln Be sure to let us know when you get something/anything honestly objective about our Selene/moon, as otherwise my ideas are just as good if not better than yours.
What about the 1e18 kg of dust and lose rock/soil on Selene? (on average, that's only 26 t/m2)
What about the saturation of gamma and X-rays?
What about the color/hue of those lunar minerals?
Got that fly-by-rocket lander to demo for us?
~ BG
BradGuth - 30 Nov 2008 04:59 GMT > >> >> >> - there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk > >> >> >> outsourced [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to > speak out and remove all doubt. >Abraham Lincoln I forgot to mention that parrots, robots and Borgs do not have imagination, nor original deductive thought of any kind, much less any sense of humor. Connecting dots simply is not your thing, so perhaps you really shouldn't try.
~ BG
hhc314@yahoo.com - 30 Nov 2008 03:01 GMT > > "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message... > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Brad, that letter "e" may simply be a test sent to us by some alien civilization, since as we know "e" (2.718281828...) is base of our natural log system, and like "Pi", the solution to many complex and simple differential equations. For example, "e" appears in every solution to mathematical representation for a sine wave in commununications (e^jt). Is this a coincidence?
Then too, how would they know that we call this universal irrational constant "e" and not "zoomba"? Still, that's simply a nit, not a show-stopper.
Of course, just kidding. :-)
Harry C.
BradGuth - 30 Nov 2008 04:51 GMT On Nov 29, 7:01 pm, "hhc...@yahoo.com" <hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message... > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > Harry C. It's always good to kid about the past and future of humanity, and to joke about the little polluted and overpopulated planet we call Earth, and then use a triangle to otherwise represent Earth.
Perhaps the letter e in a triangle was meant as an insult. ET version of "up yours".
~ BG
Painius - 30 Nov 2008 04:53 GMT Toru Iwatani sits down and tells the whole story, starting about 30 years ago when a 24-year-old Namco programmer strolled into a now demolished restaurant in central Tokyo, called Shakeys. It was here that he ordered the marguerita pizza that, with one slice removed, provided the visual inspiration for Pac-Man's famous profile...
http://www.isro.org/Chandrayaan/images/1map_hysi.jpg
That's it!!! Toru Iwatani, the creator and inventor of Pac-Man, has been to planet Selene and has installed a gigantic Pac-Man there! We are all at his mercy, because all he has to do is push a button, and his hungry Pac-Man will EAT THE MOON!!!
CHUKKA-CHUKKA
<g>
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Saul Levy - 01 Dec 2008 00:57 GMT I'll wait for BradBoi to include this in his view of the Universe, Paine! lmfjao!
Saul Levy
>Toru Iwatani sits down and tells the whole story, >starting about 30 years ago when a 24-year-old [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > ><g> Painius - 01 Dec 2008 17:18 GMT >> Toru Iwatani sits down and tells the whole story, >> starting about 30 years ago when a 24-year-old [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Saul Levy You'll have to admit, though, Saul, that formation looks pretty weird. If you note the direction of the sunlight from the lower left, the formation rises from the surface of the Moon rather than being recessed like the craters.
Unusual to see an almost perfect equilateral triangle with a PacMan (or a letter "e") inside it rising from the surface of a celestial body other than Earth.
Where's Richard Hoagland when you need him? <g>
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BradGuth - 02 Dec 2008 01:48 GMT > >> Toru Iwatani sits down and tells the whole story, > >> starting about 30 years ago when a 24-year-old [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Where's Richard Hoagland when you need him? <g> Got any other alphabet craters within their nifty triangle surround?
This one is for our resident Zionist/Nazi rabbis Saul Levy, Art Deco and their vast company of brown-nosed minions and silly clowns of their DARPA and NASA mainstream status quo.
This public archive of mostly Selene/moon images isn’t half bad, though imagine how the f40 (395 meter focal length) of KECK could do nearly 100 fold better, including via earthshine and green laser illuminated in addition to polarized optics, and then perhaps a whole lot better yet from ISRO that’s sort of holding back their 10 m/pixel TMC images. http://lpod.wikispaces.com/2008
http://www.avertedimagination.com/main1.htm http://www.avertedimagination.com/latest_1.htm
Moon mineralogy: (kinda bluish saturated due to the degree of UV secondary/recoil black-light affect), and otherwise soon enough a whole lot better yet from those ISRO HySI color/hue composites of their 64 (+/- 8 nm) color/hue bands.. http://lpod.wikispaces.com/November+7%2C+2008
This guy could certainly do a damn fine job of imaging our physically dark but otherwise fully solar illuminated Selene/moon along with a little old planet as reddish and relatively dim albedo as Mars included within the same FOV. Just think what Jupiter, Saturn and especially if having Venus within the same FOV as Selene is going to look like.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
Saul Levy - 29 Nov 2008 04:04 GMT You forgot the GIANT CONSPIRACY! lmfjao!
Saul Levy
>- there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk outsourced >to a 3rd world country. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >- isro is looking for a bailout package from u.s. govt. >- chandrayaan solar panel is stuck facing the dark side of the moon. BradGuth - 30 Nov 2008 12:43 GMT > - there is a software problem and isro is calling for help desk outsourced > to a 3rd world country. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > - isro is looking for a bailout package from u.s. govt. > - chandrayaan solar panel is stuck facing the dark side of the moon. Here’s the most “plausible reason for no chandrayaan pictures”, or at least why the recent delay and otherwise limited science. At this sluggish rate they’ll have to extend their mission by another year, if not two extra years should their mission keep overheating.
It’s not just the crystal dry 1e18 kg worth of surface dust and lose/ uncompacted rock, or soil if you like, that’s keeping most of our mineral composite Selene/moon bedrock surface hidden from view, as apparently the daytime orbital thermal over-load from the unexpected secondary IR was considerably greater than anyone at ISRO had expected.
Apparently ISRO has been on that pesky need-to-know basis, and as such was clearly not informed by way of anything from our NASA or Apollo missions, as pertaining to the secondary/recoil plus whatever reflected amount of daytime IR that’s in addition to whatever the sun directly contributes towards heating their Chandrayaan-1 satellite that had been designed for operating well below 40°C, though instead quickly exceeded 50°C.
http://www.dancewithshadows.com/tech/chandrayaan-1-temperature-rises/ The temperature inside Chandrayaan-1 has increased after a sudden increase in lunar temperature during its lunar orbit.
M Annadurai, project director of Indian’s moon mission, has been quoted as saying, “Now the moon, our satellite and the sun are in same line this means our craft is receiving 1,200 watts of heat from the moon and 1,300 watts from the sun per meter square.”
ISRO has said that November - December is the time during which the summer cycle of the Moon takes place. With the moon and the sun aligned with each other, the outside temperature can go up to 123° C. The temperature of the side of the Moon that does not face the Sun plummets to -223° C.
The temperature inside Chandrayaan-1 has gone up to 50° C. The ISRO has switched off or reduced the use of several instruments, like mission computers, in Chandrayaan-1.
Mr. Annadurai said that the temperature within Chandryaan-1 had to be kept below 50° C, to safeguard the payloads in the craft from irreversible damage.
Mr. Annadurai has said that they have also rotated Chandrayaan-1 by 20 degrees, which along with the shutting down of certain instruments, has led to a dip in the temperature to 40 degree C.
As of now, all the instruments in the Chandrayaan-1 are in order and functioning well. As part of the measures taken to deal with the heat, ISRO will raise the orbit of Chandrayaan-1, which is in orbit 100km away from the moon, in case all other methods fail.
ISRO expects the temperature of the Moon to come back to normal by December 2008.
ISRO plans to switch on Chandrayaan-1’s high-voltage payloads SARA and Hex after that.
As of now, out of Chandrayaan-1’s eleven payloads, the payloads that have been switched on are, the Terrain Mapping Camera (TMC), the Hyper spectral Imager (HySI), Radiation Dose Monitor (RADOM), Moon Impact Probe (MIP), and the Lunar Laser Ranging Instrument (LLRI). (end quote)
Notice the added “1,200 watts”/m2 of unexpected secondary IR albedo, whereas I’d thought the IR albedo average was toasty enough as based upon being closer to 33% (450 w/m2), though most certainly had not considered that our physically dark Selene/moon was capable of radiating at such great of IR albedo (<90%), although it makes sense as to why orbiting that moon or much less being upon its physically dark and dusty surface by day would have to be so extremely double extra hot.
No wonder that local element of sodium has been getting continually vaporized.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
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