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Double-A - 23 Nov 2008 20:50 GMT
"Community Banks on Shaky Ground" reads the headline of one local
tabloid.  WaMu (Washington Mutual) was certainly on shaky ground when
they were bought out by JPMorgan-Chase.  Now they have cut 1,600 jobs
in California, and expecty to cut at least 400 more in Oregon and
Washington State.  Oregon now has 134,000 unemployed, and that's not
even counting long term unemployed people like me.  The Oregonian
reports that Food Banks are being beset with twice as many people
looking for food as normal.  They are espaecially busy towards the end
of the month when Food Stamp benefits run out.  Oregon ranks third on
the Dept. of Agriculture's "Hunger List" behind only Mississippi and
Maine!  I have put in for renewal of my one Food Stamp benefit, but
don't know if it will go without a hitch, or whether there will be
delays like last time.  I am awaiting a call for an interview.
Nationally, 4.5 percent of credit card holders are now in delinquency
on their debt.  9.69 billion are owed in credit card debts.  CityGroup
is struggling, looking for a bailout, partly due to all the money I
still owe them no doubt.  The stock of Prudential Life Insurance (PRU)
has dropped by 85% in the last couple months.  Think you own a "Piece
of the Rock"?  Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha!

Double-A, reporting from a park bench on the frontier between
Beaverton and Hillsboro, just west of Portland, OR.
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 24 Nov 2008 14:57 GMT
Double A  Like I have been warning our government is going like Florida
People are worthless,and special interests our government cater too.
Republican press coned the public into believing all through this
election year that unemployment was under 6%  Reality it was over 7% and
will be at 8% in 9 months.  I should have screwed American Express  If
people pay off their credit cards they are crazy. Just think how these
companies have screwed them year after year.  Wish when I told American
Express to go to hell I owned them 8,000 bucks. They deserve a one
finger solute. American Express will get that 3.5 billion.  They are big
in Washington  go figure  TreBert
Double-A - 24 Nov 2008 20:30 GMT
> Double A  Like I have been warning our government is going like Florida
> People are worthless,and special interests our government cater too.
> Republican press coned the public into believing all through this
> election year that unemployment was under 6%  Reality it was over 7% and
> will be at 8% in 9 months.

.....liars figure!

>  I should have screwed American Express  If
> people pay off their credit cards they are crazy.

You still could screw them.  Just take your card and go on a spending
spree!

> Just think how these
> companies have screwed them year after year.

You think the 30% rates I was paying were unfair?

> Wish when I told American
> Express to go to hell I owned them 8,000 bucks. They deserve a one
> finger solute. American Express will get that 3.5 billion.  They are big
> in Washington  go figure  TreBert

I never used American Express.  Their membership fees were too high,
and originally only loaned you money on a 30 day basis.

Double-A
BradGuth - 25 Nov 2008 15:38 GMT
> Double A  Like I have been warning our government is going like Florida
> People are worthless,and special interests our government cater too.
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> finger solute. American Express will get that 3.5 billion.  They are big
> in Washington  go figure  TreBert

Jesus Christ was also trying to warn us, but instead the local Zionist
had him put on a stick.

Many messengers that tried to inform Hitler of the truth, ended up
instead dead.

Moral here is, don't make the same mistake.

~ BG
Saul Levy - 25 Nov 2008 17:36 GMT
Are you being microwaved today, BradBoi?  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>Jesus Christ was also trying to warn us, but instead the local Zionist
>had him put on a stick.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> ~ BG
Double-A - 24 Nov 2008 20:22 GMT
Looks like Citigroup will be the latest to get a bailout check.  Too
bad none of that bailout money can go to the hungry.  The depression
is spreading world wide.  Toyota has anounced it will be cutting about
50% of its jobs in Japan.  Cars are stacking up at the docks.  No one
is buying.  The unemployment rate in the US is expected to reach 9% by
then end of next year.  The much vaunted "Black Friday" shopping day
coming up it is feared by merchants will be a bust this year.  Big
biotechnology companies, researching new drugs, are having trouble
with funding.  Five have gone bankrupt within the past month.  Hold
onto your wallets if you still have them, things can only get worse!

Double-A
Saul Levy - 24 Nov 2008 22:55 GMT
Obama-lama will finish off the wallets, DA!  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>Looks like Citigroup will be the latest to get a bailout check.  Too
>bad none of that bailout money can go to the hungry.  The depression
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>
>Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 25 Nov 2008 13:33 GMT
Double A  USA is catching up with republican corruption in Florida.
Three years ago homes were foreclosed(4 on my street) all done by
banking corruption and fraud. These same banks have already received
half of the bailout money and got it as fast as a heart beat.  They are
mostly republican owned.They been laundering drug money for over 30
years. It fits  TreBert
BradGuth - 25 Nov 2008 16:54 GMT
> Double A  USA is catching up with republican corruption in Florida.
> Three years ago homes were foreclosed(4 on my street) all done by
> banking corruption and fraud. These same banks have already received
> half of the bailout money and got it as fast as a heart beat.  They are
> mostly republican owned.They been laundering drug money for over 30
> years. It fits  TreBert

And to think, all accomplished by those pesky pretend-Atheists.

~ BG
Double-A - 25 Nov 2008 19:35 GMT
> Double A  USA is catching up with republican corruption in Florida.
> Three years ago homes were foreclosed(4 on my street) all done by
> banking corruption and fraud. These same banks have already received
> half of the bailout money and got it as fast as a heart beat.  They are
> mostly republican owned.They been laundering drug money for over 30
> years. It fits  TreBert

They are certainly are getting their billion dollar bailouts faster
than I can get my food stamps renewed!

Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 25 Nov 2008 20:11 GMT
Double A  Don't people now pray to the Godfather for their monthly food
stamps?  TreBert
Double-A - 25 Nov 2008 21:19 GMT
> Double A  Don't people now pray to the Godfather for their monthly food
> stamps?  TreBert

May that's what I should be doing!

Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 25 Nov 2008 23:21 GMT
Double A  History chanel had American Mafia worth as much as Microsolf
plus Coca Cola  Now with the money coming in on its bank holdings its
worth twice that amount and every day its going up and up to reach that
7.7 trillion mark.  I predict the Godfather will buy Canada and Mexico
to add to his America   TreBert
Saul Levy - 26 Nov 2008 00:07 GMT
No, they now pray to Obama-lama, BEERTbrain!  lmfjao!

For food stamps AND their mortgages!

Saul Levy

>Double A  Don't people now pray to the Godfather for their monthly food
>stamps?  TreBert
Double-A - 25 Nov 2008 20:22 GMT
On this bleak, cold morning with sprinkles of rain (surprised it isn't
snow), I find a morning paper and read:

Taxpayers may be wondering why they're forking over more money to
rescue yet another behemoth, Citigroup, even as their nest eggs crack
and jobs evaporate.  The answer is that Uncle Sam thinks letting Citi
fail is unthinkable."

Meanwhile I'm still awaiting a call from some bureaucrat telling me
whether or not my foodstamps will be renewed.  Here in Oregon, the
real estate industry has cut 27,000 jobs over the last year!  Even
temporary workers are losing asignments.  1,600 temp jobs were
eliminated here in October alone.  The professional and business
services sector eliminated 2,800 jobs  in October, over half of them
temps.  Retail trade has dropped 600 jobs during the same period.
Oregon's unemployment rate for October was 6.9%.  Manufacturing lost
2,200 jobs.  75,800 Portland area residents are now unemployed and
looking for work, up by 23,200 from a year ago!

Nisson has cancelled its appearances at the Detroit and Chicago auto
shows.  It cites the tough economy, plus lack of new vehicles.  Even
Tiger Woods has lost his job as an advertising spokesman for Buick!
GM cites its need to cut costs while trying to survive the worst
salesw downturn in a quarter-century!  And of course as usual, Tiger
wants to pursue other interests.  Haha!

Wal-Mart has come to an agreement with the Oregon Attorney-General
after having systematically olvercharged there customers here.  Those
overecharged paid an average of $8.40 too much!  Wal-Mart blames it on
scanning errors.  Now, whenever a customer catches them overcharging
him, they must give an immediate $3 discount on the purchase.

Watch what they charge you on that Bud Lite, Bert!  They have shown
that they will make money anyway they can!  Don't let them pick your
pocket.  (Watch those greeters!)

Double-A
Double-A - 26 Nov 2008 20:56 GMT
Retail stores in trouble:

Circuit City - In chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.  Is closing 155 of
its 700 stores.

Levitz Furniture - Closing 76 stores including 3 in Oregon.

Linens 'n Things - Closed 5 stores in Oregon.

Movie Gallery - Closed 1000 stores in bankruptcy reorganization.

The Sharper Image - Closed all its stores earlier this year.

The Bombay Co. - In bankruptcy, closed all its US stores this year,

Whitehall Jewelers - Closed 373 stores including 2 in Oregon.

Wickes Furniture - Closed all its stores including 4 in Oregon.

Wilson's the Leather Experts - Is closing 260 out of 360 mall stores.

The stocks of local Oregon banks are mostly at 1/2 the price they were
a year ago.  Defaults on construction loans have been significant,
following from the crash in the residential real estate sector.

Portland home prices have dropped by a record 8.6% in the past year.

DHL is going to lay off another 140 truck drivers and dock workers in
Oregon.  65 have already been layed off as part of DHL's discontinuing
of demestic delivery services in the US.

Oregon price for regular gas this week:  $2.03.

Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 26 Nov 2008 22:16 GMT
Double a gas selling for 186.  All small stores closing. Rents to
high,and no customers. It is now the dog chasing its own tail. Small
business just as productive as shovelling sh.t against the tide.  Well I
am not making enough money to have a positive income but,my spacetime is
short    go figure  TreBert
Double-A - 26 Nov 2008 23:50 GMT
> Double a gas selling for 186.  All small stores closing. Rents to
> high,and no customers. It is now the dog chasing its own tail. Small
> business just as productive as shovelling sh.t against the tide.  Well I
> am not making enough money to have a positive income but,my spacetime is
> short    go figure  TreBert

Small businesses as well as big businesses are hurting.  Here at
Safeway they stay afloat by selling lots of beer!  Corona and Bud are
the main brand names on all the cases I see walking out the door.
Beer is the one product that will always sell in a Depression.  That's
why they had to legalize it again in 1933!

Double-A
BradGuth - 27 Nov 2008 01:19 GMT
> > Double a gas selling for 186.  All small stores closing. Rents to
> > high,and no customers. It is now the dog chasing its own tail. Small
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>
> Double-A

They should bring back heroin, because it's relatively cheap and far
safer than most other substances.

~ BG
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 27 Nov 2008 14:18 GMT
BG  Time to bring back the sniff box. Sigman thought cocaine was a
wonder drug. Does not hurt 95% that use it. Very popular in LA,and sold
just about every where under the table. Its more like crazy mushrooms.
It should be legalized. Especially to ease the pain of the poor
TreBert
BradGuth - 27 Nov 2008 15:10 GMT
> BG  Time to bring back the sniff box. Sigman thought cocaine was a
> wonder drug. Does not hurt 95% that use it. Very popular in LA,and sold
> just about every where under the table. Its more like crazy mushrooms.
> It should be legalized. Especially to ease the pain of the poor
> TreBert

Our government as as much cocaine and other stuff as they need.  No
wonder they're always such happy campers.

~ BG
Double-A - 27 Nov 2008 21:52 GMT
> BG  Time to bring back the sniff box. Sigman thought cocaine was a
> wonder drug. Does not hurt 95% that use it. Very popular in LA,and sold
> just about every where under the table. Its more like crazy mushrooms.
> It should be legalized. Especially to ease the pain of the poor
> TreBert

Just when governments are complaining that tax revenues are down, they
refuse to legalize and tax substances that are a major part of the
economy.

Double-A
Saul Levy - 27 Nov 2008 21:44 GMT
I'm on DIET COKE, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>They should bring back heroin, because it's relatively cheap and far
>safer than most other substances.
>
> ~ BG
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 27 Nov 2008 23:28 GMT
Cactus Saul  In my day coke had lots of cocaine in it,and that is why a
druggist created it. Moxie had more cocaine in it than coke,and was a
big seller.  Cocaine is cool. Dr.Koller stole liquid cocaine from Sigman
came to NYC and patterned it under the name Nova Cane   Trebert
Double-A - 28 Nov 2008 01:04 GMT
> Cactus Saul  In my day coke had lots of cocaine in it,and that is why a
> druggist created it. Moxie had more cocaine in it than coke,and was a
> big seller.  Cocaine is cool. Dr.Koller stole liquid cocaine from Sigman
> came to NYC and patterned it under the name Nova Cane   Trebert

7-Up had lithium.

Double-A
Saul Levy - 29 Nov 2008 08:32 GMT
My father remembers that, BEERTbrain!  lmfjao!

And he's still alive!

Saul Levy

>Cactus Saul  In my day coke had lots of cocaine in it,and that is why a
>druggist created it. Moxie had more cocaine in it than coke,and was a
>big seller.  Cocaine is cool. Dr.Koller stole liquid cocaine from Sigman
>came to NYC and patterned it under the name Nova Cane   Trebert
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 29 Nov 2008 14:10 GMT
Cactus Saul  Your father will tell you cocaine in coke never hurt
anyone. In France in Segman time powdered cocaine was 5 bucks a
pound,and was a wonder drug.  5% could not handle it.  30% that drink
alcohol can not handle it.  Cocaine is a lot safer,and so is pot.
If both were legalized from the beginning the Mafia would not have the
money to own our utilities,and big banks. Last I heard American Mafia
was worth 107 billion,and that was 10 years ago  Go figure   TreBert
Double-A - 29 Nov 2008 19:21 GMT
> Cactus Saul  Your father will tell you cocaine in coke never hurt
> anyone. In France in Segman time powdered cocaine was 5 bucks a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> money to own our utilities,and big banks. Last I heard American Mafia
> was worth 107 billion,and that was 10 years ago  Go figure   TreBert

I think Coke still has a trace of cocaine in it.  It is the only soft
drink that I feel a craving for, and gives me a "special feeling"
after I drink it.  They do still use a coca leaf extract to flavor
it.  That is how they get away with still calling it "Coca" Cola.

Double-A
Saul Levy - 30 Nov 2008 10:56 GMT
It doesn't do anything to me, DA!

Actually Coke tastes like sh.t and I only buy it at the bar (no
choice).

Saul Levy

>> Cactus Saul  Your father will tell you cocaine in coke never hurt
>> anyone. In France in Segman time powdered cocaine was 5 bucks a
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Double-A
Double-A - 30 Nov 2008 20:19 GMT
> It doesn't do anything to me, DA!
>
> Actually Coke tastes like sh.t and I only buy it at the bar (no
> choice).
>
> Saul Levy

Hmmm.  I find its taste highly addictive.

Double-A

> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:21:22 -0800 (PST), Double-A
>
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>
> >Double-A
Saul Levy - 01 Dec 2008 14:02 GMT
You aren't wired like a Mormon, are you, DA?  lmfjao!

Meaning wired like Jeff is.

Saul Levy

>> It doesn't do anything to me, DA!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Double-A
Double-A - 01 Dec 2008 19:29 GMT
> You aren't wired like a Mormon, are you, DA?  lmfjao!
>
> Meaning wired like Jeff is.
>
> Saul Levy

Not a Mormon.  I remember we went to the house warming party of a
Mormon girl I worked with, and there was no coffee, no tea, no Coke,
and no booze!  Just cookies and punch.  My wife remarked that it was
like going to a 9 year old girl's bitthday patty!

Double-A

P.S.  I hear your governor has been summoned "upstairs" by the great
Obama!  Interesting that he is keeping on Bush's Secretary of
Defense.  I thought he wanted change?

> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:19:48 -0800 (PST), Double-A
>
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>
> >Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 30 Nov 2008 12:12 GMT
DoubleA  Do not think there is coke in coke  It was replaced by
caffeine. Can you imagine it only cost a nickel when it had cocaine in
it. Those were the best of times. A tiny bag of cocaine cost $50 and
that was 20 years ago.         go figure  TreBert
BradGuth - 30 Nov 2008 12:34 GMT
> DoubleA  Do not think there is coke in coke  It was replaced by
> caffeine. Can you imagine it only cost a nickel when it had cocaine in
> it. Those were the best of times. A tiny bag of cocaine cost $50 and
> that was 20 years ago.         go figure  TreBert

You're up early, and complaining about our lack of legal cocaine.

I agree, that affordable prescription cocaine should be the norm.  The
less legal and less affordable makes for crime and consequences.

If street drugs were legalized, regulated and taxed (as they should
be), there's a good chance that all other personal property tax could
have been eliminated.  Imagine how many trillion out of debt this
country would have easily become.

The list of could-have-been(s) and should-have-been(s) is actually
quite long and old by now.  As it stands, the next 100 generations get
to pay for our mistakes, and what are the odds they too will not make
the exact same mistakes, if not worse.

~ BG
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 30 Nov 2008 17:35 GMT
Bg Its to late the American Mafia will never let cocaine be legalized.
It was in reality to late 35 years ago. Naturally that goes for pot.
American Mafia controls the republican party. It is very naive to think
otherwise  Its money all the way down   The rest is bull sh.t  Trebert
BradGuth - 30 Nov 2008 18:06 GMT
> Bg Its to late the American Mafia will never let cocaine be legalized.
> It was in reality to late 35 years ago. Naturally that goes for pot.
> American Mafia controls the republican party. It is very naive to think
> otherwise  Its money all the way down   The rest is bull sh.t  Trebert

In that case, we might as well toss in the towel.  I'd probably make a
pretty darn good Zionist/Nazi, if I don't say so myself.  I never did
like always having to deal with remorse or morals.  How about
yourself?

Perhaps we could get paid via the republican Mafia for recruiting.
However, since 99.9% of Usenet/newsgroups are already Zionist/Nazis,
it's kind of slim pickings unless we go elsewhere.

~ BG
Saul Levy - 01 Dec 2008 13:58 GMT
You already are a JOO HATING NAZI, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>In that case, we might as well toss in the towel.  I'd probably make a
>pretty darn good Zionist/Nazi, if I don't say so myself.  I never did
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> ~ BG
Double-A - 30 Nov 2008 20:34 GMT
> Bg Its to late the American Mafia will never let cocaine be legalized.
> It was in reality to late 35 years ago. Naturally that goes for pot.
> American Mafia controls the republican party. It is very naive to think
> otherwise  Its money all the way down   The rest is bull sh.t  Trebert

So who controls the Democratic Party?  They are the ones who will be
in power now (and reponsible for everything).

Question:  Why are Democrats so friendly to Republicans?  Like why did
Nancy Pelosi "table" Dennis Kacinich's bill to impeach Bush?

Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 30 Nov 2008 21:09 GMT
Double A  Republican or democratic could all be birds of a feather. I
just happen to think the republican party and the Mafia are more
bold,and steal more.  I think of Nixon,and Bush and Chaney going on TV
and telling us big lies.      I see them controlling FBI CIA and IRS.  I
will never see a big gun in the Mafia ever again brought to justice.
Think about that   TreBert
BradGuth - 01 Dec 2008 02:10 GMT
> Double A  Republican or democratic could all be birds of a feather. I
> just happen to think the republican party and the Mafia are more
> bold,and steal more.  I think of Nixon,and Bush and Chaney going on TV
> and telling us big lies.      I see them controlling FBI CIA and IRS.  I
> will never see a big gun in the Mafia ever again brought to justice.
> Think about that   TreBert

And do you honestly believe these republican Mafia are either pretend-
Atheists or simply your run of the mill heathens?

Why the hell not Catholic, Mormon, Muslim or Jewish, if not Zionist?
(the list of faith-based options goes on and on)

How many would get elected and/or appointed fit they publicly
announced they were Atheist? (perhaps zero)  It seems they all play
the God card, as a failsafe easy out and vote getter.

~ BG
Saul Levy - 01 Dec 2008 13:53 GMT
Bernie Sanders got elected, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

And he's a COMMUNIST!

Saul Levy

>> Double A  Republican or democratic could all be birds of a feather. I
>> just happen to think the republican party and the Mafia are more
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> ~ BG
BradGuth - 01 Dec 2008 02:13 GMT
> > Bg Its to late the American Mafia will never let cocaine be legalized.
> > It was in reality to late 35 years ago. Naturally that goes for pot.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Double-A

We're hoping for roughly 10% less collateral damage within the first
year.  Anything above that is a win-win for the old gipper of humanity
and our frail environment.

~ BG
Saul Levy - 30 Nov 2008 18:33 GMT
Wrong again, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

The Demorats want it ALL!  The Republicats don't seem to be any
better.

HIDE YOUR WALLET FROM OBAMA-LAMA!  He wants it!  All of it!

Saul Levy

>If street drugs were legalized, regulated and taxed (as they should
>be), there's a good chance that all other personal property tax could
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> ~ BG
Double-A - 30 Nov 2008 20:26 GMT
> > DoubleA  Do not think there is coke in coke  It was replaced by
> > caffeine. Can you imagine it only cost a nickel when it had cocaine in
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>  ~ BG

With about 40% of the population using illegal drugs anyway, the
government might as well be collecting some tax from them.  Legalizing
would unclog the prisons too and make space for the real criminals,
like the kid who stole my radio!

Double-A
BradGuth - 01 Dec 2008 02:16 GMT
> > > DoubleA  Do not think there is coke in coke  It was replaced by
> > > caffeine. Can you imagine it only cost a nickel when it had cocaine in
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Double-A

Correct, and the use tax collected could offset personal property tax
by <100%, because those morons don't really care how much they have to
spend on such drugs.  We can't lose.

~ BG
Double-A - 30 Nov 2008 20:20 GMT
> DoubleA  Do not think there is coke in coke  It was replaced by
> caffeine. Can you imagine it only cost a nickel when it had cocaine in
> it. Those were the best of times. A tiny bag of cocaine cost $50 and
> that was 20 years ago.         go figure  TreBert

Can you imagine what it would cost if it were being taxed?

Double-A
Saul Levy - 29 Nov 2008 21:08 GMT
Some disagreement there, BEERTbrain!  lmfjao!

35% can't handle it?  That's a LOT!

Saul Levy

>Cactus Saul  Your father will tell you cocaine in coke never hurt
>anyone. In France in Segman time powdered cocaine was 5 bucks a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>money to own our utilities,and big banks. Last I heard American Mafia
>was worth 107 billion,and that was 10 years ago  Go figure   TreBert
Double-A - 27 Nov 2008 21:50 GMT
> > > Double a gas selling for 186.  All small stores closing. Rents to
> > > high,and no customers. It is now the dog chasing its own tail. Small
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>  ~ BG

Should it be left to doctors to decide when to prescribe drugs like
herion, or do medically illiterate law makers know best which drugs
should no be allowed?

Double-A
Double-A - 27 Nov 2008 22:04 GMT
The Labor Department report report due out next week is expected to
show the country has lost 300,000 to 400,000 jobs in November.
Unemployment claims shot to a 16-year high last week.  Citibank is
cutting 53,000 jobs.  JPMorgan Chase plans to cut its investment bank
staff by 10%.  Bank of New York Mellon Corp. will reduce its work
force by 1,800.

Investors yanked a record $127 billion from stock funds in October!
Another $32 billion were pulled from taxable bond funds, and $8
billion from municiple bond funds.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Double-A
Double-A - 28 Nov 2008 21:59 GMT
Washington State is cutting $180 million from its Department of Health
and Social Services (such great timing!).  Governor Chris
Gregoire is reducing the state's current budget by $600 million.
State lawmakers are staring at deficit of nearly 6 billion for the
next 2 years!

The economy is jeapardizing Portland's 10-year plan to end chronic
homelessness by building low income housing including 1000 affordable
units in 2009.  Now with financing in jeapardy, Portland is searching
for plan "B".

Douglas County Oregon already has a 10.4% jobless rate.  Now Bayliner
Marine is cutting 175 jobs in December.  Roseburg Forest Products laid
off 120 workers earlier this month.

Pepsi has dropped plans for building a plant in Albany, Oregon, citing
lack of demand.  The plant might have employed 200 people.

Northwest Bank of Lake Oswego, Oregon is suing MBank of Gresham,
Oregon, for 2.6 million over a real estate deal gone bad.

Washington  County, Oregon is paying out $120,000 for their Sheriff's
Deputies' bad driving, involving two incidents of at fault accidents
where the police cars ran into other cars.  Maybe they were distracted
by the computer that occupies the passanger side front seats of their
patrol cars now.  (Playing solataire?)

Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 29 Nov 2008 14:01 GMT
Double A  Lots of similarity to Portland and Orlando. Both mare sure
poor people will suffer the most. Do not trust people that have the name
Crist. Still surprised that Severn Trent was thrown out of Portland,and
feel at this depression they will come back(they have the big bucks).
go figure  TreBert
Double-A - 29 Nov 2008 19:35 GMT
> Double A  Lots of similarity to Portland and Orlando. Both mare sure
> The Severn Trent project was among Oregon governments' most expensive computer foul-ups.poor people will suffer the most. Do not trust people that have the name
> Crist. Still surprised that Severn Trent was thrown out of Portland,and
> feel at this depression they will come back(they have the big bucks).
> go figure  TreBert

This is how Severn Trent is remembered in Portland:

"The Severn Trent project was among Oregon governments' most expensive
computer foul-ups."  -  Oregonian

http://blog.oregonlive.com/oregonianextra/2004/01/portland_flush_with_hope_on_ne.html

Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 30 Nov 2008 12:19 GMT
Double A  Could not get in to that site. Severn Trent (Toho) is again
saying my water will be turned off. Even threatening with their lawyer.
They will never take me to court That is not the way of the Mafia
TreBert
Double-A - 01 Dec 2008 19:40 GMT
> Double A  Could not get in to that site.

Is Bill Gate's WebTV censoring out sites that bring up bad stuff about
Severn Trent?  Is he a part of the Mafia too?

> Severn Trent (Toho) is again
> saying my water will be turned off. Even threatening with their lawyer.
> They will never take me to court That is not the way of the Mafia
> TreBert

It's winter.  You have medical conditions.  They shouldn't be allowed
to shut you off now.

Double-A
BradGuth - 01 Dec 2008 21:28 GMT
> > Double A  Could not get in to that site.
>
> Is Bill Gate's WebTV censoring out sites that bring up bad stuff about
> Severn Trent?  Is he a part of the Mafia too?

You can bet he and others of his faith-based kind are part of the
mainstream Mafia.

> > Severn Trent (Toho) is again
> > saying my water will be turned off. Even threatening with their lawyer.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Double-A

But they do, and I'd bet they even smirk while doing it.

~ BG
Double-A - 01 Dec 2008 21:43 GMT
> > > Double A  Could not get in to that site.
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>  ~ BG

I am shut off proof!

Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 01 Dec 2008 22:08 GMT
BG  They gave me a one finger solute as the Severn Trent water car
pulled away shutting off my water. One of my doctors treating a bad
infection in my left foot said THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU He took
pictures of my badly infected foot( almost had to be amputated), I now
am in the process of bringing Severn Trent Toho to answer to the charge
of attempted murder(criminal court) and then to sue them for pain and
suffering. If I live long enough. Best we not forget Osceola sheriff BoB
Hansel might have one of relative deputies    killing me first Carry out
his death threats that are documented.  TreBert
BradGuth - 02 Dec 2008 03:04 GMT
> BG  They gave me a one finger solute as the Severn Trent water car
> pulled away shutting off my water. One of my doctors treating a bad
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Hansel might have one of relative deputies    killing me first Carry out
> his death threats that are documented.  TreBert

Perhaps you should sell yourself and that pathetic story of yours to a
televised series of "America Got Mafia", preferably before you're
found dead from dehydration or that of a backed up toilet.

~ BG
Double-A - 02 Dec 2008 19:18 GMT
> BG  They gave me a one finger solute as the Severn Trent water car
> pulled away shutting off my water. One of my doctors treating a bad
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Hansel might have one of relative deputies    killing me first Carry out
> his death threats that are documented.  TreBert

Bert, you can always turn your water back on with a wrench, and then
park your car with the tire on top of the meter box so they can't get
to it to turn it off again.  They will probably only add a fine to
your already unpaid bill.  Having worked for a water bureau, I learned
all the tricks.

Double-A
BradGuth - 02 Dec 2008 19:36 GMT
> > BG  They gave me a one finger solute as the Severn Trent water car
> > pulled away shutting off my water. One of my doctors treating a bad
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Double-A

They'll also take his van, car or truck for good measure.

~ BG
Saul Levy - 29 Nov 2008 15:23 GMT
Our f.cking Demorat governor who's POWER MAD isn't cutting anything.
She's just running up the deficit every day.

Send her to D.C. to run the Homeland Security Dept. into the ground!
Might just make it worse than it already is!

I didn't vote for her either!

Saul Levy

>Washington State is cutting $180 million from its Department of Health
>and Social Services (such great timing!).  Governor Chris
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Double-A
Double-A - 29 Nov 2008 19:38 GMT
> Our f.cking Demorat governor who's POWER MAD isn't cutting anything.
> She's just running up the deficit every day.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Saul Levy

Another woman governor?

How many do we have now?

All beauty queen contest winners?

Double-A

> On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:59:58 -0800 (PST), Double-A
>
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>
> >Double-A
Saul Levy - 30 Nov 2008 10:59 GMT
9 and 1 pending.  See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_state_governors_in_the_United_States

Napolitano would never win a beauty contest, DA!  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>> Our f.cking Demorat governor who's POWER MAD isn't cutting anything.
>> She's just running up the deficit every day.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Double-A
Double-A - 29 Nov 2008 19:57 GMT
A man was trampled to death while shopping at Wal-Mart on "Black
Friday!

http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/business-89/1227978549106040
.xml&storylist=business


Double-A
Saul Levy - 30 Nov 2008 11:00 GMT
He may have had a heart attack from the stampede, DA.

Saul Levy

>A man was trampled to death while shopping at Wal-Mart on "Black
>Friday!
>
>http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/business-89/1227978549106040
.xml&storylist=business

>
>Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 30 Nov 2008 12:24 GMT
Double A  Wal Mart will settle by giving his family a credit card. I got
one with a free umbrella. Wal Mart is to big to sue. Just like big
special interests are given bailout money. The more fraud and corruption
they did the more money they get   Sad but true   Trebert
Double-A - 30 Nov 2008 22:05 GMT
> Double A  Wal Mart will settle by giving his family a credit card. I got
> one with a free umbrella. Wal Mart is to big to sue. Just like big
> special interests are given bailout money. The more fraud and corruption
> they did the more money they get   Sad but true   Trebert

The police are reviewing security tapes, trying to hold responsible
the people who did the actually trampling.  But isn't Wal-Mart to
blame for not having better crowd control?  For not having a front
door that was strong enough to keep people from breaking it down?  For
having these silly and dangerous early morning sale to begin with?
Yes, Wal-Mart is to blame!  Wal-Mart must PAY!

Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 01 Dec 2008 14:33 GMT
Double A  USA today is fascists,and only the poor pay for their crimes.
Proof of this is Progress Energy stealing 146,000,000 in one year,and
that is more money than all the 7 11 held up in 45 years. Many are in
jail(given 20 years,but William D Johnson CEO of PE has a big smile on
his face watching his house being built on Boca Grande. Its a big house.
and the poor stealing to feed their families are serving time in the BIG
HOUSE.   Its the wave of the future   Armed robbery has gone up 64% in
Florida this year   go figure  TreBert  PS it is now proven Mafia money
is building jails and staffing them(renting them out to the government)
It would be funny,but it is sadly true
Double-A - 01 Dec 2008 20:00 GMT
> Double A  USA today is fascists,and only the poor pay for their crimes.

That's true.  Steal a loaf of bread when you're starving; do hard
time!  Steal billions from your corporation when you're a fat cat; get
a bailout!

> Proof of this is Progress Energy stealing 146,000,000 in one year,and
> that is more money than all the 7 11 held up in 45 years. Many are in
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> HOUSE.   Its the wave of the future   Armed robbery has gone up 64% in
> Florida this year

Armed robbers are going about it all wrong.  If you want to rob a bank
and get away with it, do like I did:  Apply for a credit card!  Work
the system and use the inteligence that God gave you to outsmart it!

> go figure  TreBert  PS it is now proven Mafia money
> is building jails and staffing them(renting them out to the government)
> It would be funny,but it is sadly true

Yes, Oregon is shipping its prisoners off to private prisons in Texas
where it is inhumanely hot!  And no air conditoining for the
prisioners.  Years in 100+ degree confinement will teach those
miserable beggars not to steal loaves of bread to feed their starving
families!

Double-A
BradGuth - 01 Dec 2008 21:35 GMT
> > Double A  USA today is fascists,and only the poor pay for their crimes.
>
> That's true.  Steal a loaf of bread when you're starving; do hard
> time!  Steal billions from your corporation when you're a fat cat; get
> a bailout!

Ain't that American, whereas the rich get richer and more powerful,
while the rest of us village idiots get to suck their rotten eggs.

> > Proof of this is Progress Energy stealing 146,000,000 in one year,and
> > that is more money than all the 7 11 held up in 45 years. Many are in
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Double-A

Sometimes they end up steeling a little more than family bread,
although your point is understood.

~ BG
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 01 Dec 2008 21:52 GMT
Double A I can relate Mafia and Gravity. They both win in the end.
TreBert
Double-A - 01 Dec 2008 22:20 GMT
> Double A I can relate Mafia and Gravity. They both win in the end.
> TreBert

And both pull you down.

Double-A
Jeff▲Relf - 02 Dec 2008 05:56 GMT
Washington State has no income tax;
it gets almost 70 percent of its income from sales taxes,
including special taxes on fuel, cigarettes and alcohol.

Business taxes make up its next biggest chunk of income,
followed by property taxes ( property taxes are earmarked for schools ).

The money is spent on medical services, schools and jails.
Utilities ( e.g. electricity and water ) pay for themselves, I assume.
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 02 Dec 2008 13:55 GMT
Jeff  More Mafia jails being built in Florida to make room for those
with no jobs and roofs over their heads.  Jails will be the republican
Maifia big money makers,much like Florida nursing homes. When my late
wife was in the Tanden nursing home I had a chance to meet this Mafia
man His name was Joseph Conti,and his body guard was just called Toni
Both from NJ and you would not want to meet them in a dark alley.
Trebert
Double-A - 01 Dec 2008 23:30 GMT
Dow Jones Industrial Average:  Down -679.95 (-7.70%)!

'Nough said.

Double-A
Jeff▲Relf - 02 Dec 2008 05:11 GMT
Re: Today's drop in the DOW: -680 -7.7 %

“ So far in 2008, employers have slashed 1.2 million jobs,
 and the bad news is expected to continue
 when we get employment data for November this Friday ”,
 said Michael Fowlkes, analyst at Investor’s Observer.
Saul Levy - 02 Dec 2008 17:45 GMT
Aren't you GLAD you're NOT working, Jeff?  lmfjao!

I am!

Saul Levy

On 2 Dec 2008 05:11:32 GMT, Jeff?Relf <Jeff_Relf@Seattle.Invalid>
wrote:

>Re: Today's drop in the DOW: -680 -7.7 %
>
>“ So far in 2008, employers have slashed 1.2 million jobs,
>  and the bad news is expected to continue
>  when we get employment data for November this Friday ”,
>  said Michael Fowlkes, analyst at Investor’s Observer.
Jeff▲Relf - 02 Dec 2008 19:23 GMT
I'm still working ( coding ) and getting paid.

One of the things I'm doing now is converting some
“ Bank Management Simulations ” to the “ Gap Accounting ” standard**
from the “ Regulatory ” standard***.
( **: “ Mark to Market ”,
      where the balance sheet lists the market value of securities )
( ***: where the balance sheet lists the book value of securities )

Paraphrasing WikiPedia:
“ Some of the limitations of ‘ duration** gap management ’ are:
 - the difficulty in finding assets and liab. of the same duration
 
 - some assets and liabilities may have
   patterns of cash flows that are not well defined

 - customer prepayments may distort the expected cash flows in duration
 - customer defaults may distort the expected cash flows in duration
 - convexity*** can cause problems. ”
 
 ( **: The weighted maturity of a fixed-income investment’s cash flows,
       used in the estimation of the price sensitivity of
       fixed-income securities for a given change in interest rates. )
       
 ( ***: A measure of the rate of change in duration; measured in time.
        The greater the rate of change,
        the more the duration changes as yield changes.)
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 02 Dec 2008 13:44 GMT
Double A  For the sake of oc friend Wolter Its Pushing down.  Wall
Street does not create jobs NY stock exchange  will go down to 500 as
you predicted. Election over republican cover up no longer in place,and
it is now on record the recession started over a year ago.  In Florida
it started over three years ago,and Florida is now in a state of acute
depression.   TreBert
Double-A - 02 Dec 2008 19:28 GMT
> Double A  For the sake of oc friend Wolter Its Pushing down.  Wall
> Street does not create jobs NY stock exchange  will go down to 500 as
> you predicted. Election over republican cover up no longer in place,and
> it is now on record the recession started over a year ago.  In Florida
> it started over three years ago,and Florida is now in a state of acute
> depression.   TreBert

Yes, economists now "know" we have been in a recession for a year.  It
is like the stock market.  Analysts don't "know"  that they are in a
bear market until stocks have dropped over 20%, which may be many
months after they have started going down the drain.

Double-A
BradGuth - 02 Dec 2008 19:40 GMT
> > Double A  For the sake of oc friend Wolter Its Pushing down.  Wall
> > Street does not create jobs NY stock exchange  will go down to 500 as
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Double-A

The rich and powerful always knew what was coming, because they are in
charge of having created such conditions of multiple profit takings
that went directly into their offshore bank accounts, and our SEC
knows everything as well.

~ BG
Double-A - 02 Dec 2008 23:08 GMT
> > > Double A  For the sake of oc friend Wolter Its Pushing down.  Wall
> > > Street does not create jobs NY stock exchange  will go down to 500 as
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>  ~ BG

It's like the robbers were running the stage coach line.  They didn't
care about the success of the line; they just wanted to grab the loot
and run!

Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 03 Dec 2008 13:13 GMT
Double A  Now that Florida is in a depression other electric companies
are not allowed an increase.but Progress Energy.  Their 28% increase is
allowed,and be in effect the first of January. This proves like I have
been posting  THE GODFATHER OWNS PROGRESS ENERGY. They also over bill.
They also are above the law They also burn coal They also kill children
They also put agent orange under their power lines.  TreBert
BradGuth - 03 Dec 2008 18:46 GMT
> Double A  Now that Florida is in a depression other electric companies
> are not allowed an increase.but Progress Energy.  Their 28% increase is
> allowed,and be in effect the first of January. This proves like I have
> been posting  THE GODFATHER OWNS PROGRESS ENERGY. They also over bill.
> They also are above the law They also burn coal They also kill children
> They also put agent orange under their power lines.  TreBert

What! no use of VX or DDT?

Perhaps the new and improved feds will make their "black ops" move
shortly after BHO takes office, and otherwise accomplish their
takeover of Florida shortly before your State Mafia has him killed
off, like they did in Texas with JFK.

~ BG
Double-A - 03 Dec 2008 20:19 GMT
> Double A  Now that Florida is in a depression other electric companies
> are not allowed an increase.but Progress Energy.  Their 28% increase

Choke!

> is
> allowed,and be in effect the first of January. This proves like I have
> been posting  THE GODFATHER OWNS PROGRESS ENERGY. They also over bill.
> They also are above the law They also burn coal They also kill children
> They also put agent orange under their power lines.  TreBert

Do they put PCB's in their transformers?

Double-A
BradGuth - 03 Dec 2008 22:20 GMT
> > Double A  Now that Florida is in a depression other electric companies
> > are not allowed an increase.but Progress Energy.  Their 28% increase
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Double-A

They likely use the blood and other bodily fluids from those which do
not pay their utility bills, in those transformers.

~ BG
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 04 Dec 2008 15:26 GMT
BG Progress Energy gives lung cancer to humankind it is not instant
cancer like the CIA gives out. Breathing PE pollution both radio active
and very harmful carbon dust takes its time to kill in a most painful
way. Killing is the heart of Mafia owned utilities.  Florida government
will kill children for the right buck.       Republican party run by the
Godfather is  Life is cheap but a buck is still a buck.   Florida is a
fascist state
BradGuth - 04 Dec 2008 19:18 GMT
> BG Progress Energy gives lung cancer to humankind it is not instant
> cancer like the CIA gives out. Breathing PE pollution both radio active
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Godfather is  Life is cheap but a buck is still a buck.   Florida is a
> fascist state

The ongoing pillaging and raping of mother nature, and the systematic
pollutings and takings by the rich and powerful are only capable of
doing this because of their faith-based connections, and I’m not
suggesting that God is on their side.

Once you stop excluding the faith-based factor, it all makes perfect
sense, and it’s not just them pesky Zionist at fault.

The next 100 generations are going to pay the ultimate price, if need
be over and over because, it’s folks like yourself that refuse to give
the honest credit where such credit is way past due.

When was the last time any mainstream church gave your local Mafia and
the likes of  PE an honest run for its money, by having challenged
anything?

Next to government, the church of your flavor controls most of
everything else.  Where else do these Mafia cabals consort in order to
publicly confer and to gather support?

Keep your existing webtv, but also get yourself a full blown PC/MAC
with a full sized keyboard and 22” or larger monitor, so that your
words of wisdom can better target those responsible for this god offal
mess we’re in.  If need be, go to the local assisted living community
and get yourself a lonely girlfriend that has this PC/MAC alternative.

~ BG
Saul Levy - 04 Dec 2008 18:00 GMT
Blood etc. really won't do for that job, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

Shows us again what a VILLAGE IDIOT you are!

Saul Levy

>They likely use the blood and other bodily fluids from those which do
>not pay their utility bills, in those transformers.
>
> ~ BG
Jeff▲Relf - 04 Dec 2008 02:40 GMT
You rule when you own housing and utilities ( water, phone and power );
gods pale to insignificance compared to that.

treBert needs to save up his pennies so he can buy back Progress Energy
from the Chinese and Saudi's who currently own it;
until that happens, or he sells his house, he's S.O.L. !

Seattle is doing a lot better than Orlando Florida these days.
My electric company  ― “ Seattle City Light ” Seattle.GOV/Light ―
is owned by my beloved city.

Quoting WikiPedia:
“ Seattle Public Utilities ( SPU, www.Ci.Seattle.WA.US/Util/Services )

 is a public utility agency of the city of Seattle, Washington,
 which provides water, sewer, drainage and garbage services
 for 1.3 million people in King County, Washington.
 
 The agency was established in 1997, consolidating
 the city's Water Department with other city functions. ”
BradGuth - 04 Dec 2008 02:54 GMT
> You rule when you own housing and utilities ( water, phone and power );
> gods pale to insignificance compared to that.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>   The agency was established in 1997, consolidating
>   the city's Water Department with other city functions. ”

And to think, you don't know of any family or individual losing his/
her job or subsequent abode due to local taxes, fees, utilities
(including heating fuel oil and gasoline) and otherwise due to their
part-time minimum wage and zero benefits for skilled labor.  Imagine
that, another cloaked Rothschild going by the code name of Jeff▲Relf.

~ BG
Jeff▲Relf - 04 Dec 2008 05:03 GMT
I aint no “ cloaked Rothschild ”.

I could go on-and-on about the homeless people I know.
I talked face-to-face to my long-time friend, Ken, a couple times today,
he's homeless and has a warrent out for his arrest.

Ken and another good friend of mine, Mike,
work part-time for minimum wage ( day labor ).
Both Ken and Mike have spent a lot of time behind bars.

Mike drinks 20 tall cans of beer each day, and/or hard liquor.
Ken ( Irish/Sicilian, 21 years old ) drinks much more than that.
BradGuth - 04 Dec 2008 05:31 GMT
> I aint no “ cloaked Rothschild ”.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Mike drinks 20 tall cans of beer each day, and/or hard liquor.
> Ken ( Irish/Sicilian, 21 years old ) drinks much more than that.

Then why don't you put that info as your topic renaming policy.

It sounds like your Mike and Ken never had anything to lose in the
first place.

Who do you know of that's currently losing most everything because of
our corrupt government and their State by State Mafia cabals?

~ BG
Jeff▲Relf - 04 Dec 2008 08:35 GMT
I'm much more worried about my own personal self-discipline
than I am about any “ fascists ”.

Ken's parents are rich, frankly; Mike's parents are even richer,
e.g. they constantly travel the world, chatting about investments.
Mike is a “ trust fund baby ”.

Ken too gets lots of help, including free housing, cheap cars
and great jobs ― but he f.cks it up every time ― so he's homeless.
He likes his beer/liquor.

Ken recently got massively drunk
the minute he got out of rehab ( Schick Shadel ).
His girl friend is expecting this month, his ant will raise it.

Guessing, I'd say Jen ( 22 ) gets a thousand-dollar-a-month apartment
for 150 dollars a month ― from the state, for her child, Jada.
From her Christian mom, she gets free baby sitting and the like.

Ernesteen gets 339 dollars per month, medical and food stamps;
but she's homeless ( at age 21 ).
Her heroin/beer habit is about 30 dollars per day, she's a begger.

Ernesteen will be dead before long, most likely, she has HIV.
Heroin, pills and alcohol ( all at once ) will do her in.
ah - 20 Dec 2008 01:16 GMT
> I'm much more worried about my own personal self-discipline
> than I am about any “ fascists ”.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Ernesteen will be dead before long, most likely, she has HIV.
> Heroin, pills and alcohol ( all at once ) will do her in.

So, where's the lack of self-discipline, Jͤff?
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Jeff▲Relf - 20 Dec 2008 10:23 GMT
“ So, where's the lack of self-discipline, Jͤff? ”, you asked me.

Maybe no one has self-discipline ― randomness is notional, not real.
ah - 23 Dec 2008 01:21 GMT
> “ So, where's the lack of self-discipline, Jͤff? ”, you asked me.
>
> Maybe no one has self-discipline ― randomness is notional, not real.

But, it is the mind which imposes order . . . .
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Jeff▲Relf - 23 Dec 2008 01:40 GMT
“ it is the mind which imposes order . . . . ”, you told me.

What controls the mind ?
what controls the thing that controls the mind ?

I'm six foot and I'd rather weigh 145 like I used to,
not the 205 I weigh now ― or maybe not ― it doesn't matter.
Over-eating and over-smoking shorten my life .. but so what ?

P.S. I just watched “ Pulp Fiction ”
with John Travolta and Bruce Willis.
It was too random/slow for me, I didn't like it.

I also watched “ Quantum of Solice ” .. mindless fun.
Painius - 23 Dec 2008 12:45 GMT
"Jeff?Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Seattle.Invalid> wrote...

> “ it is the mind which imposes order . . . . ”, you told me.

Only a disciplined mind may impose order, Jeff.

> What controls the mind ?
> what controls the thing that controls the mind ?

The disciplined mind may choose to control itself.

> I'm six foot and I'd rather weigh 145 like I used to,
> not the 205 I weigh now ― or maybe not ― it doesn't matter.
> Over-eating and over-smoking shorten my life .. but so what ?

What's happened to your fighting spirit, Jeff?  Were
you *too* disciplined as a boy?  That's the problem
with discipline.  It's imposed on us when we are li'l
children by our caretakers, usually parent(s).  If a
caretaker imposes too little discipline, or too much,
then it's not easy for us to find balance when we
grow up.

If one does not learn to control and discipline oneself,
then one will allow outside controllers to do so. If one
has been taught to *over*discipline oneself, then one
may wind up so detached from society that one's
fighting spirit loses its edge.

> P.S. I just watched “ Pulp Fiction ”
> with John Travolta and Bruce Willis.
> It was too random/slow for me, I didn't like it.

Yeah, that movie sucked.  Odd, too, since Quentin
Tarantino directed.  He's a bloody fighter!  He must
have been "out to lunch" when he directed PF.  Most
people i think remember him from the film "From
Dusk Till Dawn", with Harvey Keitel, George Clooney,
and Juliette Lewis ( S OO P A H H H ).  Quentin was
one of the "bad guy" Gecko brothers along with
Clooney.  Quentin was the "crazed" one.

> I also watched “ Quantum of Solice ” .. mindless fun.

Haven't seen it, yet.  I'm an old Sean Connery fan.
Those were the days, my friend.  <g>

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Jeff▲Relf - 23 Dec 2008 18:42 GMT
I just watched “ The Dark Knight ” ( 2008 ) .. a good flick.
I'm about to watch “ Don't be a Menace to South Central .. ”.

Pardon me, but it makes no sense to say, as you do,
that the mind controls the mind ― that's circular reasoning, at best.

Many things control the mind, and other things control those things
― branching down like a tree root ― with infinite depth and complexity.

I know ― how ― to control my weight and smoking,
but I don't know why I should.

Should I live faster, like the poor ( e.g. Double-A, age 60 )
on the street ― freezing my “ Jingle Balls ” off ― dying sooner ?

Or should I live slower/longer, like the rich ( e.g. you, age unknown ),
riding on the backs of the poor, consuming our children's future
― petroleum ― like a swarm of locusts ? I doesn't matter.
Double-A - 23 Dec 2008 20:55 GMT
> I just watched " The Dark Knight " ( 2008 ) .. a good flick.
> I'm about to watch " Don't be a Menace to South Central .. ".
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> riding on the backs of the poor, consuming our children's future
> -- petroleum -- like a swarm of locusts ? I doesn't matter.

Do you think that living the traditional life of the rich, just lazing
about and over indulging in rich foods and expensive booze and
expendable women, will make you live longer than a Spartan life on the
street where your consumption is limited, and you are forced to walk
miles for exercise every day?

Double-A
Jeff▲Relf - 23 Dec 2008 21:46 GMT
You aren't getting enough sleep, your feet are wet and abused.
You can't shower. What do you think that does to your immune system ?
What caused that weeks-long ear infection ? been in a fight lately ?

Emergency rooms won't save you from yourself.
Rich Japanese/Norwegians live longer than poor Africans,
it's a well-known fact.
Painius - 23 Dec 2008 21:40 GMT
"Jeff?Relf" <Jeff_Relf@Seattle.Invalid> wrote...

> I just watched “ The Dark Knight ” ( 2008 ) .. a good flick.
> I'm about to watch “ Don't be a Menace to South Central .. ”.
>
> Pardon me, but it makes no sense to say, as you do,
> that the mind controls the mind ― that's circular reasoning, at best.

Circular reasoning is nothing like that, Jeff.  You
*know* what circular reasoning really is, don't
you?  One reasons that something exists because
something else exists.  Then they reason that the
second thing exists because the first thing exists.

1 ---> 2 ---> 1 ---> 2 'round 'n 'round they go.

Your mind is perfectly capable of controlling itself.
Nothing at all circular about that reasoning.  The
tough part is that the mind has to first be beaten,
be conquered, and this is easier for some than for
others based upon their background in personal
discipline.

It's not circular reasoning when one breaks a horse.

You've already conquered your mind, though, i can
tell.  You are the tamed stallion who has decided to
be put out to pasture.

> Many things control the mind, and other things control those things
> ― branching down like a tree root ― with infinite depth and
> complexity.

No, this is an illusion.  Only you can control your
mind.  Even when others appear to control it, it is
you who allow them to.  You are truly the Captain
of your ship, even if you only allow yourself to
swab the decks.

This is not to be confused with the influence of
outside forces that may seem to turn against you.
A person often seems to have little control over
such things, although we have more control over
them than we let ourselves think.  Bottom line is...

While you may or may not have enough control
over external influences, there is one thing that
you and only you can control fully, and that is
how you *respond* to whatever happens to you.

> I know ― how ― to control my weight and smoking,
> but I don't know why I should.

And until you *do* know why, you won't.

> Should I live faster, like the poor ( e.g. Double-A, age 60 )
> on the street ― freezing my “ Jingle Balls ” off ― dying sooner ?
>
> Or should I live slower/longer, like the rich ( e.g. you, age unknown ),
> riding on the backs of the poor, consuming our children's future
> ― petroleum ― like a swarm of locusts ? I doesn't matter.

I'm sooo rich that maybe i'll take you out on my
yacht sometime.  I don't like to talk about my own
misfortunes, Jeff, but they have been many.  And
i'm going through one of the worst times of my life
right this moment.  But i try to do something every
day to make things better.  I realized a long time
ago that dwelling on misfortune, bad health, poor
circumst