Earth will be transformed into magnetic field, if we will not stop all powerful colliders.
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Ivan Gorelik - 03 Nov 2008 10:15 GMT Neutron hole is axial-symmetric magnetic black hole. It is 10^40 stronger than spherically symmetric gravitational black hole.
Micro black hole is harmless. Micro neutron holes will kill the Earth. CERN does not know anything about neutron holes. Neutron holes connected by magnetic field, black holes - by gravity field.
Collisions of 1 TeV and higher are deadly dangerous for Civilization.
What can we do?
Earth will look as an infinitely thin emptiness, surrounded by circular current of 6 meter radius. Compare: Schwarzschild radius of such mass is 0,009 meters.
Half of Earth’s mass will be transformed into magnetic field of neutron hole, and another half will be transformed into radiation.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/62f9a f4e91b77673?hl=en#
Hagar - 03 Nov 2008 15:09 GMT > Neutron hole is axial-symmetric magnetic black hole. > It is 10^40 stronger than spherically symmetric gravitational black > hole. > > Half of Earth’s mass will be transformed into magnetic field of > neutron hole, and another half will be transformed into radiation. Wrong-o, Gorelicker, half the Earth's mass will be transformed into pepperoni pizza with anchovies, and the rest will become delicious Hefeweizen. The age of enlightenment is upon us ... eat, drink and screw Mary.
Saul Levy - 03 Nov 2008 16:30 GMT NOTHING WILL HAPPEN, Ivan! lmao!
What a bunch of CRACKPOTS!
Saul Levy
>Neutron hole is axial-symmetric magnetic black hole. >It is 10^40 stronger than spherically symmetric gravitational black [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/62f9a f4e91b77673?hl=en# gb6724@yahoo.com - 03 Nov 2008 20:28 GMT In a lie detector laboratory people sat and ate. On TV president builds a madman. Carrying potential ideas to have a unilateral is where thing powers. After the Iraq war that was, competition is opposed from the start. He explained state and stereotypical enemies, it didn't sound good to the world. He said oppose political, but he didn't say oppose politica in a regime curtain, a shadow of a giant bat. A New Japan, a flying bomber is not to be believed as a new move. An American film is watched, an old man beats up everybody. Having 100 is pretty much at the highest levels. Aught to not believe in people who disagreed with the Iraq theories. Old guy beating up people. TV, colors today unlike the black partially spoken. I mean black and white TV. Back in those days of black and white TV sets, people were looking up in the streets as they marched, this meant they were coming. On the color TV sets we are not clones in the 21st Century. No sense binds us alltogether as destiny in a regime. Roman art holds changes with the popular war he wants others to believe it is founded. Serving him like clap dance in enjoyment, he joins the Stalin dance, Stalin wanted men who visited to dance, he clapped and others clap danced. In the 21st Century we have Ceausescu admiration Democracy and a war that admitted using old people, the rest, gophers spending time in the unknown, false silence. False silence, Bush asked 10 days before launching the Iraq war: "if anybody has anything to say, come forward now." Nobody seemed to come forward, and there was not much reason it seemed why the Iraq war shouldn't proceed. But it was a false silence as 15 million were protesting worldwide in somewhat contra forms to this pretty silent president Bush who stood in false silence. There is a thing we would project about his liking of the Universal, genocide, anti-sentiment not seen by the party top who in 2008 100 percent votes for war. Excruciated in shove the suckup up, George Soros couldn't take it. The whole religious family stood with crossed eyes. Yes da, in Moscow regime he who did something bad had to stand on the wall, in the Washington regime there was similar precedence.
A unilateral direction beats common sense, Bush agreed as Michael Jackson about the number of times he had plastic surgery that fascist porn happened twice with the enemy. Many said: Bother in a smaller scale Mr. President.
Up in the air or below from the air people are the same, Hollywood star people points of views. 20th Century regimes need children, dimming everything down with positive sides of the regime. We are all oppressed except me, and tails emerge out of a.ses that simply cortex. On the side of the war the movements speak that believing in Schwarzenegger is a fight against women.
Poorness of soul. The Internet is their hopes for crimes.
UK. Once upon a time in the time a candid place. A math teacher who likes chowder is now on TV. Conservativism risen. All health risks are read on the chowder can. When it is all gone, at first peace is sad. All first peace is sad. The teacher advises: pop music hurts three fingers, learn to slap. Music is not healthy he explains. Bother in smaller scales, we don't need no education. "To this he wanted to establish this: the meaning." Just look at me how rich my hair is, I remind almost of a man who is speaking directly, excercizing rule of caution in a conservative world that stems to 3000 years of conservative grounds starting with the Roman Senate that ran as the American Senate today on grounds of war, 300 years later there is a Senate, and a brother UK to the rich conservative.
CCTV cameras in the streets. Are these political times songs in my life? These cameras remind as Lenin pictures, don't want to spit a lemon seed up in the air and hit the wrong camera. What are you saying? "Come here for sight seeing?" History is good at looking at the source of things, everything superiority syndrome and now see the result with CCTV cameras in the streets. Now a fart has enough energy to question. Criminals base things on enemies on their and other people's past. A violation of stereotypical enemies took place in the West in the 21st Century. In a worst system an event must have militancy to the system, blockades, cartels and the cold blood CCTV. A fart has enough energy to question. Don't trust automatic form denials, a regime exists, pigs need to dictate, a state of camera dictatorship.
As far as we remember, personal expressions fabricated into politics on grounds of hanky panky stopped in 1902, stopped in a world of Hitler, and Hitler knew the meaning of personal. Not to hate one in dreams but to dictate, Hitler believed travel is not necessary, it is sufficient to imagine being there and then he destroyed a happy world and brought anti-sentiment like Bush's war that ignores genocide, racism, aspects of police worlds, naturally humanity opposes those aspects. A conservative way invented by the Romans meant old people in power, in the Roman Senate the oldest had the most authority. That is conservative, a conservativism that believed the government aught to be trusted with all decisions.
Once upon a time in a candid police world Western burocracy, they call themselves distinct. We loose, but what if there would be an instant decision?
Saul Levy - 03 Nov 2008 21:04 GMT Was this all a dream you're telling us about, gb? lmfjao!
It makes as much sense as a dream.
Saul Levy
>In a lie detector laboratory people sat and ate. On TV president >builds a madman. Carrying potential ideas to have a unilateral [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] >they call themselves distinct. We loose, but what if there would >be an instant decision? Ralph - 03 Nov 2008 22:12 GMT absolute, unadulterated, ignorance-formed, gossip-textured, "deliverance poster child" crap.
Neutron hole is axial-symmetric magnetic black hole. It is 10^40 stronger than spherically symmetric gravitational black hole.
Micro black hole is harmless. Micro neutron holes will kill the Earth. CERN does not know anything about neutron holes. Neutron holes connected by magnetic field, black holes - by gravity field.
Collisions of 1 TeV and higher are deadly dangerous for Civilization.
What can we do?
Earth will look as an infinitely thin emptiness, surrounded by circular current of 6 meter radius. Compare: Schwarzschild radius of such mass is 0,009 meters.
Half of Earth’s mass will be transformed into magnetic field of neutron hole, and another half will be transformed into radiation.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/62f9a f4e91b77673?hl=en#
gb6724@yahoo.com - 03 Nov 2008 23:41 GMT > absolute, unadulterated, ignorance-formed, gossip-textured, "deliverance > poster child" crap. Not true, it is deep, and I asked such questions two-three years ago, they are hard questions on astronomy.
Saul Levy - 04 Nov 2008 00:35 GMT You're insane, gb! Makes anything you say meaningless. lmao!
Saul Levy
>> absolute, unadulterated, ignorance-formed, gossip-textured, "deliverance >> poster child" crap. > >Not true, it is deep, and I asked such questions two-three years ago, >they >are hard questions on astronomy. ImageAnalyst - 04 Nov 2008 01:09 GMT On Nov 3, 6:41 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > absolute, unadulterated, ignorance-formed, gossip-textured, "deliverance > > poster child" crap. > > Not true, it is deep, and I asked such questions two-three years ago, > they are hard questions on astronomy. --------------------------------------------------- gb6724: OK. It is deep crap. What do farts, bombers, and Hitler have to do with optics? It's just word salad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Word_salad) usually uttered by the mentally ill. There is nothing in there about astronomy, but it does reveal a lot about you (that we don't care to know). Think - maybe there's a reason no one has answered your nonsense for two-three years. Next time post to alt.test.
gb6724@yahoo.com - 04 Nov 2008 01:38 GMT > On Nov 3, 6:41 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > answered your nonsense for two-three years. Next time post to > alt.test. I spoke about the problems he asked with Michio Kaku. Think.
BradGuth - 04 Nov 2008 01:13 GMT On Nov 3, 3:41 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > absolute, unadulterated, ignorance-formed, gossip-textured, "deliverance > > poster child" crap. > > Not true, it is deep, and I asked such questions two-three years ago, > they > are hard questions on astronomy. Asking such pesky questions is what'll put you and most anyone else on the Usenet NO FLY list.
~ BG
gb6724@yahoo.com - 04 Nov 2008 01:44 GMT > > > absolute, unadulterated, ignorance-formed, gossip-textured, "deliverance > > > poster child" crap. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Asking such pesky questions is what'll put you and most anyone else on > the Usenet NO FLY list. I have heard of the world's first booed scientific theories online. He proposed a theory. I heard trouble makers in the ex Soviet Union were made to stand on the wall, but also found out that priests in old times chopped the heads off of pro-nature, pro-science, anti-government people and threw it off the wall (castle type walls they had back then).
gb6724@yahoo.com - 04 Nov 2008 03:28 GMT On Nov 3, 6:44 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > absolute, unadulterated, ignorance-formed, gossip-textured, "deliverance > > > > poster child" crap. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > type walls > they had back then). 'Compelling evidence' people. Cum out from the Western curtain.
Ivan Gorelik - 04 Nov 2008 04:15 GMT Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole. CERN does not know about neutron hole. Earth will be transformed into an infinitely thin emptiness, surrounded by circular current of 6 meter radius. Half of Earths mass will be transformed into super strong magnetic field of neutron hole, and another half - into radiation. Neutron hole will kill us all, if we will not stop all powerful colliders
Abe - 04 Nov 2008 05:06 GMT > Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several > beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole. CERN does not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > neutron hole, and another half - into radiation. Neutron hole will > kill us all, if we will not stop all powerful colliders Do a calculation, show the results of a simulation, show some proof. Science does not rely on fairy tales.
gb6724@yahoo.com - 04 Nov 2008 15:09 GMT > > Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several > > beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole. CERN does not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Do a calculation, show the results of a simulation, show some proof. > Science does not rely on fairy tales. Problems rule in science and he is presenting problems.
Sjouke Burry - 04 Nov 2008 23:26 GMT >>> Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several >>> beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole. CERN does not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Problems rule in science and he is presenting problems. You can present an infinite number of problems, without contributing anything to science. Just stringing words together is no science, it is as valuable as dumping garbage.
gb6724@yahoo.com - 05 Nov 2008 07:57 GMT On Nov 4, 4:26 pm, Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulf...@ppllaanneett.nnlll> wrote:
> gb6...@yahoo.com wrote: > >>> Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Just stringing words together is no science, it is as > valuable as dumping garbage. Problems rule in science. Lions rule the Safari. So far science. Schwarzenegger believes mountain lion is greatest cold rogue.
Saul Levy - 05 Nov 2008 10:05 GMT Is this reply supposed to mean something, gb? lmfjao!
It doesn't.
Saul Levy
>Problems rule in science. Lions rule the Safari. So far science. >Schwarzenegger believes mountain lion is greatest cold rogue. Ivan Gorelik - 05 Nov 2008 01:37 GMT On Nov 4, 5:09 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several > > > beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole. CERN does not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Problems rule in science and he is presenting problems. Some calculation is here http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/62f9a f4e91b77673?hl=en#
Evolution of SN 1987A internal ring is here http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/html/heic0704.html
How many rings will be made from Earth and Sun? How many microscopic rings will be made in LHC?
Skeptic - 05 Nov 2008 02:53 GMT > On Nov 4, 5:09 pm, "gb6...@yahoo.com" <gb6...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > How many rings will be made from Earth and Sun? > How many microscopic rings will be made in LHC? ****************************************** Thanks for the link. It shows that we in sci.optics are not the only ones who think you're a kook. They also think that in sci.physics. I really love the final post in that thread - the one from "Uncle Al" - pure genius!
Ivan Gorelik - 05 Nov 2008 05:33 GMT > > > > > Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several > > > > > beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole. CERN does not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > Problems rule in science and he is presenting problems.
> > Evolution of SN 1987A internal ring is herehttp://www.spacetelescope.org/news/html/heic0704.html > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > really love the final post in that thread - the one from "Uncle Al" - > pure genius! People you are idiots, neutron hole will capture you and your syphilitic panties, and it take you all to other stars systems to accelerate the cosmic panspermia.
CERN will kill us all. Magnetic neutron holes (10^40 stronger of gravity black holes) will be made in LHC, if we will not destroy CERN’s terrorist plans.
I give 10% that neutron star’s embryos will be made on LHC, if it will start to work. I give 50%, inside upper 10%, that it will take several years, before the Earth will be exploded. You will have the time to learn what is hanger, pain, madness, cannibalism. Alive persons will envy the dead ones.
Think a little.
matridunadan@gmail.com - 05 Nov 2008 07:10 GMT > > > > > > Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several > > > > > > beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole. CERN does not [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Think a little. you would have more credibility if you weren't ranting like a loon.
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corgorant@gmail.com - 05 Nov 2008 07:24 GMT > > > > > > Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several > > > > > > beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole. CERN does not [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Think a little. you would have more credibility if you weren't ranting like a loon.
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Saul Levy - 05 Nov 2008 09:55 GMT At that rate we'll all DIE from Obama-lama and his commie thugs long before the LHC does anything, Ivan! lmfjao!
Ivan and BradBoi are from the SAME SCHOOL of DOOM AND GLOOM FOREVER!
Too bad NEITHER of them THINK AT ALL!
Saul Levy
>People you are idiots, neutron hole will capture you and your >syphilitic panties, and it take you all to other stars systems to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Think a little. Cerumen - 05 Nov 2008 16:09 GMT <snip drivel> <Think a little.
I think you are a nutter, of what size matters not.
 Signature Chris. Mater tua criceta fuit, et pater tuo redoluit bacarum sambucus.
Saul Levy - 05 Nov 2008 03:17 GMT Obviously NONE!
Saul Levy
>Some calculation is here >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/62f9a f4e91b77673?hl=en# [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >How many rings will be made from Earth and Sun? >How many microscopic rings will be made in LHC? G=EMC^2 Glazier - 05 Nov 2008 16:13 GMT gp6724 Supernova 1987A Gave off more energy than the whole galaxy it was immersed in. No way can you relate that to the tiny energy of the Cern. Its explosion showed to us what can happen when a 1.5 solar mass core of a star became unstable and collapse reducing in volume by a factor of about a million in one second,and ends up as a neutron star a few tens of kilometers across. Its whole surface now reached a temperature of about half a million degrees,and was blasted into space at 10% the speed of c Here is a kicker The neutrinos it produced were in reality hundreds of times what the supernova radiated as visible light. Only 19 neutrinos were detected by ours and Japan particle detectors but that is in reality a very big number.. Mother nature love implosions. gp 6724 Do not worry about Cern destroying the Earth. If Supernova 1987A took place in the Milky Way that could burn your a.s It took place 18,000 LY away TreBert
BradGuth - 20 Nov 2008 13:55 GMT > gp6724 Supernova 1987A Gave off more energy than the whole galaxy it > was immersed in. No way can you relate that to the tiny energy of the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If Supernova 1987A took place in the Milky Way that could burn your a.s > It took place 18,000 LY away TreBert Then perhaps the nearby Sirius A+B+C merger should get downright interesting, shrinking 3.5 solar mass by a million fold within a second has got to be impressive, especially when we're part of the show.
~ BG
Saul Levy - 20 Nov 2008 22:22 GMT Sirius is going to merge, BradBoi? lmfjao!
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
A and B never merged.
Saul Levy
>> gp6724 Supernova 1987A Gave off more energy than the whole galaxy it >> was immersed in. No way can you relate that to the tiny energy of the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > ~ BG Saul Levy - 04 Nov 2008 05:34 GMT No way, Ivan! lmao!
Have you been committed to an insane asylum yet?
Saul Levy
>Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several >beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole. CERN does not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >neutron hole, and another half - into radiation. Neutron hole will >kill us all, if we will not stop all powerful colliders Ralph - 05 Nov 2008 11:28 GMT You wouldn't know a neutron if it collided with your a.s. "reflections of a neutron hole"? gibberish. - garbage.
the simple result of gravity- uncomplicated, plain, 300 year-old gravity, in the life stages of a star.
The only transformation that'll be made on this earth is to a huge garbage pile, by the ding-nuts posting this nonsense. The next planetary disaster will likely be cause by people. That I agree with. - death by garbage.
> Look at the remnants of supernova 1987A. You will see several > beautiful rings. They are reflections of neutron hole. CERN does not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > neutron hole, and another half - into radiation. Neutron hole will > kill us all, if we will not stop all powerful colliders gb6724@yahoo.com - 05 Nov 2008 16:56 GMT So his theory makes it as the first booed scientific theory?
I have heard of very arrogant Russians simply due to nature, now I am observing Americans. Sensitive beyond recognition, but maybe it has something to do with the great government.
A curtain only knows character of dismissal.
gb6724@yahoo.com - 05 Nov 2008 17:18 GMT > So his theory makes it as the first booed scientific theory? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > A curtain only knows character of dismissal. 'Gibberish', words of an empire, nonsense mentality of highest citizens, rigid hate of being, cruel emperor aiming to control even the Universe itself with a Roman way, a Roman way in a country that has a Senate and character of war like the Romans did almost 3000 years ago. Rigidity was mean of great government, though Rome was only an empire that we know it for in the last 500 years. Prior it was a Democratic Republic with a senate of conservativism, prior a ruling monarchy, a Kingdom.
Conservative means three things that grant highness: 1. The older is wiser. The oldest had the highest ranks in the Roman Senate. Now that is conservative. 2. Only the government controls the society. Highest leadership. The government solves all problems of the people, trust only the higher authority of power, use sheer force in dealing with all matters in the society. A top leadership party mentality. See Republican Senate 100 percent voting for war in 2008 in a character of a system running on character of war. 3. Ultra-power, ultra-government, cannot share indifference. The result is religious mentality worshipping the character of man's doctrine, only men were allowed in the Roman senate, blinded, where a pro-nature, anti-government person's head was chopped off by a priest back then and the head thrown off the wall for one to daring to openly question science, and Ivan is such a person who questioned and you are such a priest carrying out the task.
Ivan Gorelik - 06 Nov 2008 02:24 GMT According to last publications at the Tevatron the new particle was discovered. It lives ten times more than it would follow from the Standard theory. It decays at several muons, and in the bottom text I will name it “muon hole”.
Discovery of such strange particle, as muon hole, says us that at higher energies we will have the family of such particles. Here is an approximate picture of several particles from this family.
Muon hole decays at dozen of muons and has short life-time. Meson hole decays at hundred of mesons and has average life-time. Fermionic neutron hole does not decay at thousand of neutrons but captures other neutrons of surrounding matter. Bosonic neutron hole does not decay at thousand of proton-electron pairs but captures other proton-electron pairs, or neutrons ejecting in this case antineutrino.
Neutron hole does not decay if it was made in the cool place, such as collider. If the neutron hole was made in the collision of cosmic particle with atmospheric particle it would have the velocity, which is very close to the light velocity, and as a result, it would evaporate immediately after the capture of relativistic particle.
The experimental discovery of neutron hole will be the last discovery of humanity. Stop powerful colliders!
Saul Levy - 06 Nov 2008 05:26 GMT DOOM AND GLOOM FOREVER!
Still a wacko I see, Ivan! lmao!
Saul Levy
>According to last publications at the Tevatron the new particle was >discovered. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >of humanity. >Stop powerful colliders! Ralph - 06 Nov 2008 08:05 GMT more gibberish from the ignorant.
He just puts the word "hole" after every "zoo" particle he's heard of. - and thinks it makes sense.
try 'quark' next.
According to last publications at the Tevatron the new particle was discovered. It lives ten times more than it would follow from the Standard theory. It decays at several muons, and in the bottom text I will name it “muon hole”.
Discovery of such strange particle, as muon hole, says us that at higher energies we will have the family of such particles. Here is an approximate picture of several particles from this family.
Muon hole decays at dozen of muons and has short life-time. Meson hole decays at hundred of mesons and has average life-time. Fermionic neutron hole does not decay at thousand of neutrons but captures other neutrons of surrounding matter. Bosonic neutron hole does not decay at thousand of proton-electron pairs but captures other proton-electron pairs, or neutrons ejecting in this case antineutrino.
Neutron hole does not decay if it was made in the cool place, such as collider. If the neutron hole was made in the collision of cosmic particle with atmospheric particle it would have the velocity, which is very close to the light velocity, and as a result, it would evaporate immediately after the capture of relativistic particle.
The experimental discovery of neutron hole will be the last discovery of humanity. Stop powerful colliders!
Ralph - 06 Nov 2008 22:59 GMT "muon hole" - complete fantasy These particles are so unreactive, they weren't believed to be proven until recently, at such detectors as SNO, and another in Japan. A lot of scientists still don't believe the results, which are counts of 10 atoms or less in a 10,000 gallon vat of cleaning fluid. Picture it. A bathtub holds about 40 gallons. That's what, 250 bathtubfuls? An atom is about one, count'em one, ten millionth of a millimeter. And they counted them, repeatedly, for years. And thought they'd got it wrong. They didn't.
They don't collect, are spectacularly unreactive, and therefore, would never create anything like a gravitational well, or hole, like gb from yahoo presents. He presents a collection of words that make no sense, no experimental data, no reference; just tabloid scare fiction.
If it were even plausible fiction, there'd be writers picking up on it for fantasy and science fiction. This is pure, unadulterated drivel. My cat understands physics better.
CERN is not a recent, reckless project. More than a dozen GOVERNMENTS agreed, (think on that) to update the equipment to further research that is not controlled by the military. Maybe that's gb's problem. He only wants another religious war. 'gotta keep that population in check, you know! CERN has been operating safely for over 40 years, producing numbers and reactions that help in medicine, astronomy, and a logical approach to understanding more of creation, and how it works.
Oh, now we've REALLY hit on gb's problem! He'd rather spread his propaganda, and not proveable, experimental data that contradicts the lies he's spreading. Keep up on the spread of more drivel to come....
"the cool place"? in the collider? Where do you get this crap? The magnets are super-cooled, to get the particles up to super HIGH temperatures and pressure at the collision point. The only results will be numbers on a computer after the detectors are set off. They have to be huge to catch reactions so small. Again, pure ignorance, and outright lies.
> more gibberish from the ignorant. > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > of humanity. > Stop powerful colliders! Ralph - 06 Nov 2008 23:18 GMT I'm getting tired of attempting to reason with the propagandizing, under-educated, poorly-read, dim-bulb.
Could someone else take over for a while?
- out on a sanity break. I'll commune with a more intelligent species- my cat.
According to last publications at the Tevatron the new particle was discovered. It lives ten times more than it would follow from the Standard theory. It decays at several muons, and in the bottom text I will name it “muon hole”.
Discovery of such strange particle, as muon hole, says us that at higher energies we will have the family of such particles. Here is an approximate picture of several particles from this family.
Muon hole decays at dozen of muons and has short life-time. Meson hole decays at hundred of mesons and has average life-time. Fermionic neutron hole does not decay at thousand of neutrons but captures other neutrons of surrounding matter. Bosonic neutron hole does not decay at thousand of proton-electron pairs but captures other proton-electron pairs, or neutrons ejecting in this case antineutrino.
Neutron hole does not decay if it was made in the cool place, such as collider. If the neutron hole was made in the collision of cosmic particle with atmospheric particle it would have the velocity, which is very close to the light velocity, and as a result, it would evaporate immediately after the capture of relativistic particle.
The experimental discovery of neutron hole will be the last discovery of humanity. Stop powerful colliders!
Greg Neill - 07 Nov 2008 02:12 GMT > I'm getting tired of attempting to reason with the propagandizing, > under-educated, poorly-read, dim-bulb. > > Could someone else take over for a while? Why bother? Invoke the killfile option and be done with it.
Androcles - 07 Nov 2008 02:55 GMT > I'm getting tired of attempting to reason with the propagandizing, > under-educated, poorly-read, dim-bulb. > > Could someone else take over for a while? No. 1) There is no requirement to educate Russians. 2) There is no requirement to educate idiots. 3) Why bother?
> - out on a sanity break. I'll commune with a more intelligent species- my > cat. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > of humanity. > Stop powerful colliders! Saul Levy - 07 Nov 2008 16:35 GMT Cats are very intelligent, Ralph!
MEOW!
Saul Levy
>I'm getting tired of attempting to reason with the propagandizing, >under-educated, poorly-read, dim-bulb. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >- out on a sanity break. I'll commune with a more intelligent species- my >cat. Ivan Gorelik - 15 Nov 2008 02:47 GMT All big bangergs must be prisoned. Neutron hole is magnetic dipole, and it is 10^36 stronger than gravity black hole. It will transform the Earth and Sun into a magnetic field which will look as a ring. Look how the inner ring of SN 1987A changes with years. Powerful colliders must be prohibited. CERN will make the embryos of neutron stars, and will kill us all, if we will not stop CERN. Neutron hole is visible. Look at the evolution of SN 1987A internal ring http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/html/heic0704.html Study Space Genetics, the theory of Ivan Gorelik. http://darkenergy.narod.ru/ Compare SN 1987A with electron in Space Genetics: http://darkenergy.narod.ru/SR2007.exe
Saul Levy - 15 Nov 2008 13:12 GMT Too bad that Ivan's a WACKO NUTJOB! lmfjao!
He posted this THREE TIMES! A sure sign he's INSANE!
Saul Levy
>All big bangergs must be prisoned. >Neutron hole is magnetic dipole, and it is 10^36 stronger than [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Study Space Genetics, the theory of Ivan Gorelik. http://darkenergy.narod.ru/ >Compare SN 1987A with electron in Space Genetics: http://darkenergy.narod.ru/SR2007.exe [CAREFUL with this one!] Ivan Gorelik - 16 Nov 2008 14:04 GMT > Too bad that Ivan's a WACKO NUTJOB! lmfjao! > > He posted this THREE TIMES! A sure sign he's INSANE! It was an error. And I want my and your children live.
> >Neutron hole is visible. > >Look at the evolution of SN 1987A internal ring > >http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/html/heic0704.html CERN physicists imagine quark-gluon plasma as a suck with peas. That is a very dangerous imagination. The physics now is in the deep crisis. Theorists, in order to save their religious Big Bang theory, invented "dark energy" as a new either. They want to test their wretched theory at the powerful collider LHC.
One of the authors of such fairy tales, V.A. Rubakov, at the page "The safety of the LHC" http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html wrote: "We can be sure that particle collisions at the LHC cannot lead to a catastrophic consequences". And at the page "V.A.Rubakov" http://www.inr.ru/eng/2005e/rubakove.html we can read: "Thus already in his first famous work on proton decay monopole catalysis (1981) he theoretically predicted a qualitative physical effect (decay of baryon matter!) and made a thorough quantitative conclusion about the possibility and ways how it can be tested experimentally".
But that is the neutron hole, or magnetic dipole, made of two coupled monopoles.
Big Bang adherents can lead the Earth to the utter destruction. Particle collisions with energy more then 1 TeV must be prohibited by international law. The science must be cleared from marasmus of Big Bang.
More is here: http://darkenergy.narod.ru/
Painius - 16 Nov 2008 14:54 GMT On Nov 15, 3:12 pm, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote:
> Too bad that Ivan's a WACKO NUTJOB! lmfjao! > > He posted this THREE TIMES! A sure sign he's INSANE! It was an error. And I want my and your children live.
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Your and my children have bigger problems, much much bigger problems, Ivan!
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> >Neutron hole is visible. > >Look at the evolution of SN 1987A internal ring > >http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/html/heic0704.html CERN physicists imagine quark-gluon plasma as a suck with peas. That is a very dangerous imagination. The physics now is in the deep crisis. Theorists, in order to save their religious Big Bang theory, invented "dark energy" as a new either. They want to test their wretched theory at the powerful collider LHC.
One of the authors of such fairy tales, V.A. Rubakov, at the page "The safety of the LHC" http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html wrote: "We can be sure that particle collisions at the LHC cannot lead to a catastrophic consequences". And at the page "V.A.Rubakov" http://www.inr.ru/eng/2005e/rubakove.html we can read: "Thus already in his first famous work on proton decay monopole catalysis (1981) he theoretically predicted a qualitative physical effect (decay of baryon matter!) and made a thorough quantitative conclusion about the possibility and ways how it can be tested experimentally".
But that is the neutron hole, or magnetic dipole, made of two coupled monopoles.
Big Bang adherents can lead the Earth to the utter destruction. Particle collisions with energy more then 1 TeV must be prohibited by international law. The science must be cleared from marasmus of Big Bang.
More is here: http://darkenergy.narod.ru/
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As a compliment to you, let me say that is a VERY interesting usage of the word, "marasmus", my friend.
Ivan, i agree with you about dark matter being a ficticious bandaid that cannot heal the delusions of physics. However, i am JUST AS CERTAIN that no collider made by man can hurt human beings as a whole, and/or the entire Earth, as i am certain that you won't believe me any more than you believe those scientists you cited above.
Consider this... the types of reactions that colliders can produce take a certain amount of energy and power to produce them. And the level of energy and power that colliders can produce is only a tiny, tiny small fraction of the power and energy that is found within a star like the Sun. So those same reactions must go on within the Sun ALL THE TIME, each and every moment of each and every day and night. Yet the Sun has not been destroyed and has been around for about 4.5 billion years! And the Sun is expected to continue on for another 5 to 7.5 billion years!
Scientists cannot even come close to producing the energy and power required to be a threat to your or my children. Not even close.
I know i probably cannot convince you of this, but it is undeniably true. No collider made by man is any kind of threat to the entire human race or to this great planet on which we all live. You are safe from this threat, because it is simply no threat at all!
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BradGuth - 16 Nov 2008 15:11 GMT > On Nov 15, 3:12 pm, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com > http://painellsworth.net The LHC can give off a 200 tonne helium shell, because that's what an artificial sun would do if there was a 200 tonne supply of helium nearby.
Besides the 200 tonnes of liquid and gassious helium, how many tonnes of hydrogen is within the LHC infrastructure?
What could possibly go wrong?
~ BG
Painius - 16 Nov 2008 22:24 GMT >> On Nov 15, 3:12 pm, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > ~ BG I never said there wasn't some element of danger, Brad. Just that the danger cannot possibly be of the total and all-encompassing magnitude that Ivan suggests.
Life is risk...
"Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." > Helen Keller
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BradGuth - 17 Nov 2008 01:38 GMT > >> On Nov 15, 3:12 pm, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." > > Helen Keller Yes, but intentionally running yourself out in front of a speeding buss, or any notions of encountering one of any such buss head on at autobahn velocity (closing at 5 km/s) is kind of asking for a serious butt load of trouble.
So, how big will the helium fusion shell of that fireball get?
Can we assume that it'll also consume and thereby make good use of the available hydrogen that's within most everything of the LHC and surrounding terrain?
~ BG
Saul Levy - 17 Nov 2008 20:58 GMT It will be SO SMALL, BradBoi, that it will effectively be ZERO! lmfjao!
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!
Saul Levy
>So, how big will the helium fusion shell of that fireball get? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ~ BG Saul Levy - 17 Nov 2008 05:59 GMT Old news, BradBoi! I already told you there ISN'T 200 tons of helium at the LHC. Yet alone that NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!
Saul Levy
>The LHC can give off a 200 tonne helium shell, because that's what an >artificial sun would do if there was a 200 tonne supply of helium [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ~ BG Ivan Gorelik - 18 Nov 2008 12:42 GMT Big-bangers lead us into the magnetic trap of Devil.
Dear citizens of England! If you want to live, lock sir Hawking into a prison immediately. He took part in the preparations of the global terrorist act. In the article The Safety of the LHC he wrote: "The world will not come to an end when the LHC turns on. The LHC is absolutely safe. ... Collisions releasing greater energy occur millions of times a day in the earth's atmosphere and nothing terrible happens." This is absolutely stupid comparison. Here is another comparison. A. Let heavy positive ionized atom enters the atmosphere with the velocity, close to the light velocity. Question: Will this atom capture electrons. Answer: No, the atom will be completely ionized. B. Let heavy positive ionized atom enters the atmosphere with the velocity, close to zero. Question: Will this atom capture electrons. Answer: Yes.
His ideas about microscopic black holes are absolutely dull. MBHs are impossible and safe. But microscopic magnetic holes are 10^36 stronger. They can be made in the powerful colliders and can transform the Earth and Sun into a system of thin current rings, like the beautiful rings of supernova SN 1987A.
It is necessary to deprive Hawking of all his degrees and ranks. He wanted to test the religious Big Bang theory in collider. He must sit in prison cell, and study there the Stationery model of the Universe. The Universe of Big Bang has the Beginning and has the End. Big- bangers wanted to prove their religious theory. The experiment in LHC will not prove the BB theory, but will kill our civilization. Big- bangers want to touch the particle of God, but thus, they lead all of us into the magnetic trap of Devil.
The science must be cleared from marasmus of Big Bang. All big-bangers must be thrown out from the science.
There are several models of eternal Universe. In my model you can find: the explanation what is Hubble constant and it’s predicted precise value; the explanation of CMBR and it’s computed value; computed value of the gravity constant. http://darkenergy.narod.ru/
Scientists, supporting the Stationary model of the Universe, must unite and save the world from the terrorist act, which can be performed by big-bangers in future.
Saul Levy - 18 Nov 2008 13:12 GMT Look Ivan, we KNOW you're STUPID and WRONG about the LHC!
It's YOUR posts which are getting DULL!
Why don't you go KILL YOURSELF to save all the PAIN and FRUSTRATION when NOTHING HAPPENS?
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Saul Levy
>Big-bangers lead us into the magnetic trap of Devil. > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >unite and save the world from the terrorist act, which can be >performed by big-bangers in future. Ivan Gorelik - 20 Nov 2008 06:04 GMT Somebody: You do realize that calling a scientific theory a religion makes you lose just about all credibility?
DE: I repeat: Big Bang is religious theory. Look here: An Open Letter to the Scientific Community http://www.cosmologystatement.org/ History of the 2.7 K temperature prior to Penzias and Wilson http://www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis/Apeiron-V2-p79-84(1995).pdf Steady State Models of the Universe and their Authors http://darkenergy.narod.ru/alt.html
Somebody: Also, agression towards people who do not agree with you is very, very, low.
DE: If magnetic trap of Devil will be made on collider, if the process of It’s growth will be slow (months, years), you will cry from pane, and your aggression towards big-bangers, who had made the experiment, will be much more, than mine aggression now. You will want to cut sir Hawking and other crazy big-bangers on small pieces.
Now I am forced to drop my work and must go to Moscow in order to convince the prosecutor’s department to open the criminal case against Rubakov V.A. If you will make the same in your countries against arrant big-bangers, we will survive. Otherwise we’ll die, with probability about 50-80%.
Only crazy people can try to create particles with the rest mass more then 1000 masses of nucleon. It is possible that in the region from 1000 to 7000 aum, there can be created hundreds types of particles and resonances. It is clear, that the most of them will decay. But some of them will grow, capturing the ordinary matter.
Different types of growing particles will work on different forces, and on combinations of forces. I hope that mBHs, connected by gravity force, are impossible and safe. But magnetic traps are 10^36 stronger, and they are the most probable candidates to explain the majority of cosmic catastrophes – novae, supernovae... I had understood this only this September. Academician Migdal wrote 30 years ago about pion condensation in strong fields. As a result he had come to conclusion that neutron stars can have any masses. My approximate computation shows that the minimal possible neutron star has a mass, equal to 1055 masses of nucleons, and such embryo of neutron star can by made in collider.
Couple of weeks ago the article were published that new strange unexpected particle was discovered at Tevatron. It decays at several muons, up to eight units. Somebody had already named it the Halloween particle. I named it the muon hole.
What will be made further, the neutron hole? It will not decay, but it will transform us into it’s magnetic field.
Those persons, with high ranks and high scientific degrees, who cries about the safety of LHC must be arrested now, because they are committing the global terrorist crime now.
Stop Tevatron and close the LHC. Throw out big-bangers from universities. Big Bang never was. The Universe is ever young.
Hubble constant (H, Hbar) is the mirror reflection of Plank constant (h, hbar). These both constants are describing the 4d-rotation on opposite scales relatively us. Precise value of Hubble constant you can find on my web-site. http://darkenergy.narod.ru/ That is my Steady State model of Universe. I worked with this model more than 30 years, and I did not receive any cent for my work. And now big-bangers want to kill me, my children, and all of you. Big-bangers want to touch the particle of God, but thus, they lead all of us into the magnetic trap of Devil.
Saul Levy - 20 Nov 2008 09:36 GMT Crackpot!
Wacko!
Nutjob!
50-80% huh? Yeah sure it is!
You are TOTALLY INSANE, Ivan!
Oops! Sorry! My pane is dirty and I have to clean it...
Saul Levy
>Somebody: You do realize that calling a scientific theory a religion >makes you lose just about all credibility? [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >particle of God, but thus, they lead all of us into the magnetic trap >of Devil. Ivan Gorelik - 21 Nov 2008 04:47 GMT Somebody: You do realize that calling a scientific theory a religion makes you lose just about all credibility?
IG: I repeat: Big Bang is religious theory. Look here: An Open Letter to the Scientific Community http://www.cosmologystatement.org/ History of the 2.7 K temperature prior to Penzias and Wilson http://www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis/Apeiron-V2-p79-84(1995).pdf Steady State Models of the Universe and their Authors http://darkenergy.narod.ru/alt.html
Somebody: Also, agression towards people who do not agree with you is very, very, low.
IG: If magnetic trap of Devil will be made on collider, if the process of It’s growth will be slow (months, years), you will cry from pane, and your aggression towards big-bangers, who had made the experiment, will be much more, than mine aggression now. You will want to cut sir Hawking and other crazy big-bangers on small pieces.
Now I am forced to drop my work and must go to Moscow in order to convince the prosecutor’s department to open the criminal case against Rubakov V.A. If you will make the same in your countries against arrant big-bangers, we will survive. Otherwise we’ll die, with probability about 50-80%.
Only crazy people can try to create particles with the rest mass more then 1000 masses of nucleon. It is possible that in the region from 1000 to 7000 aum, there can be created hundreds types of particles and resonances. It is clear, that the most of them will decay. But some of them will grow, capturing the ordinary matter.
Different types of growing particles will work on different forces, and on combinations of forces. I hope that mBHs, connected by gravity force, are impossible and safe. But magnetic traps are 10^36 stronger, and they are the most probable candidates to explain the majority of cosmic catastrophes – novae, supernovae... I had understood this only this September. Academician Migdal wrote 30 years ago about pion condensation in strong fields. As a result he had come to conclusion that neutron stars can have any masses. My approximate computation shows that the minimal possible neutron star has a mass, equal to 1055 masses of nucleons, and such embryo of neutron star can by made in collider.
Couple of weeks ago the article were published that new strange unexpected particle was discovered at Tevatron. It decays at several muons, up to eight units. Somebody had already named it the Halloween particle. I named it the muon hole.
What will be made further, the neutron hole? It will not decay, but it will transform us into it’s magnetic field.
Those persons, with high ranks and high scientific degrees, who cries about the safety of LHC must be arrested now, because they are committing the global terrorist crime now.
Stop Tevatron and close the LHC. Throw out big-bangers from universities. Big Bang never was. The Universe is ever young.
Hubble constant (H, Hbar) is the mirror reflection of Plank constant (h, hbar). These both constants are describing the 4d-rotation on opposite scales relatively us. Precise value of Hubble constant you can find on my web-site. http://darkenergy.narod.ru/ That is my Steady State model of Universe. I worked with this model more than 30 years, and I did not receive any cent for my work. And now big-bangers want to kill me, my children, and all of you. Big-bangers want to touch the particle of God, but thus, they lead all of us into the magnetic trap of Devil.
My values: 1999 73.29 km/s/Mpc; 2006 H = 73,291909(81) km/s/Mpc; G = 6,6730102(37)·10^-11 Nm^2/kg^2.
NIST values: 1999 50 - 90 km/s/Mpc; 2000 72 +/- 8 km/s/Mpc;
February, 2003 WMAP, CBI, ACBAR H = 73 +/- 5 km/s/Mpc; WMAPext+2dF H = 73 +/- 3 km/s/Mpc;
G = 6.6742(10)·10^-11 Nm^2/kg^2.
Saul Levy - 21 Nov 2008 14:07 GMT Nobody believes you, Ivan! lmfjao!
You are a WACKO NUTJOB!
Saul Levy
>Somebody: You do realize that calling a scientific theory a religion >makes you lose just about all credibility? [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >particle of God, but thus, they lead all of us into the magnetic trap >of Devil. Saul Levy - 17 Nov 2008 05:56 GMT You're a f.cking WACKO, Ivan! NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!
I have no children.
Saul Levy
>> Too bad that Ivan's a WACKO NUTJOB! lmfjao! >> >> He posted this THREE TIMES! A sure sign he's INSANE! > >It was an error. >And I want my and your children live. Ralph - 18 Nov 2008 01:48 GMT Omigod.
More of this idiotic, uninformed, nonsense? Listen, bub, the colliders did not prove the mis-named big bang. Optical telescopes did- about 100 years ago. If that's your issue, go take it up with all the dead astronomers. (that's a hint)
Your statements are ridiculous. Repeating them makes them no less idiotic. What is the bug up your ...?
I even tried to "google" this Ivan Gorelik you mention. He's either unknown, or fictional.
> All big bangergs must be prisoned. > Neutron hole is magnetic dipole, and it is 10^36 stronger than [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Compare SN 1987A with electron in Space Genetics: > http://darkenergy.narod.ru/SR2007.exe Painius - 18 Nov 2008 15:24 GMT >> All big bangergs must be prisoned. >> Neutron hole is magnetic dipole, and it is 10^36 stronger than [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I even tried to "google" this Ivan Gorelik you mention. > He's either unknown, or fictional. I don't agree with Ivan, but i don't agree with this either. There is a lot of difference between "proof" and "evidence". Optical telescopes have never "proved" anything. They help provide observational "evidence" for physical reality.
Yes, there is plenty of "evidence" for the mis-named Big Bang, but there is no "proof". That evidence might someday be shown to paint an entirely different picture of physical reality (as more and more evidence is gathered and studied).
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Ralph - 22 Nov 2008 14:22 GMT I'd suggest that ~80 years of evidence gathering world-wide will lead to a fairly good theory. (in the same sense that gravity is a theory)
I also see new discoveries coming, with the advent of new technologies that can get more detailed evidence, but I don't see the general expansion of the universe changing anytime soon. I likely won't live long enough to see it change, anyway..
Projecting that evidence back into what is understood about time, (relativity) is also a fairly well-accepted concept. The math has jumped around a bit on this, from about 15, down to what, now, about 13.6 billion years. As I said, minor (?) variations are improving with more evidence.
Unless we get major, radical changes in the properties of light, time, and space in the near future, I kinda have to accept the results. Do you see changes here? I am interested.
...and I also believe Ivan could use some help.
>>> All big bangergs must be prisoned. >>> Neutron hole is magnetic dipole, and it is 10^36 stronger than [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > happy days and... > starry starry nights! Painius - 22 Nov 2008 17:03 GMT >>>> All big bangergs must be prisoned. >>>> Neutron hole is magnetic dipole, and it is 10^36 stronger than [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > space in the near future, I kinda have to accept the results. > Do you see changes here? I am interested. . . . I do see changes here. They are not so much changes of physical reality as they are changes of our perceptions of it. ~80 years of evidence don't do us much good if our axioms cause us to misinterpret that evidence! Nor will ~8000 years of evidence be any good to us if it merely leads us to the dead-end unsolvable mysteries we see today. Dark matter, dark energy, no viable quantum theory of gravity to relate to relativity theory. And even Einstein's theory merely describes the effects of gravity, rather than removing the veil of what actually *causes* gravitation.
There is still a long way to go before we can say truly that we understand what astronomical observations do reveal to us.
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Ralph - 24 Nov 2008 21:19 GMT Ok- I see you don't accept what's been discovered, repeatedly, and accepted by others about time, space, and light. There are many scientists who also question these things, so you're in decent company there.
I'm sorry you wouldn't say which items are in contention, because I wouldn't argue about it. I'd just be curious about that aspect. There are so many questions left, and that's what science is all about.
I've been researching beyond my old, old education, and have been watching a set of lectures from CalTech on astronomy that has explained many details I didn't understand on the quantum nature of light and other physical descriptions of what was first described in math.
I see no "dead-end" mysteries that I have read about, other than some of the more speculative works in perpetual motion, and concealed machines that supposedly create energy, without open proof. (or alien abductions, bigfoot, and other tabloid humour)
Newtons work described gravity without understanding much about it. His description was so accurate, it enabled people to get to the moon, and lasted over 300 years, giving only such minor errors that even Einsteins work was questioned, because of the detail involved. Einstein gave a reason for gravity happening, that works out in math and more of the physical dimensions that we know about now. Gravitation is caused by mass in space. One of the questions being researched now, and will gain results quickly (in the next few years) will be exactly what transmits that force. Check out LIGO or research on the "graviton". My computer participates in BOINC, donating time to students and university studies researching these subjects.
Dark matter is another project to gain understanding of both gravity and another 25% of the universe. CERN is working there, and hopes to get information in the next few years. I'll be expecting those results before we see that promised moon base, as long as more war-mongers don't interfere. In the 60's, when the moon missions were in full swing, I expected Mars missions before 2000. I was sadly mistaken in the belief that war-monging would give way to positive exploration.
I've seen nothing unsolvable, especially in 8000 years. I can see the research being done now that will affect us for the next 20 or 30, and that's likely to be the end of my life, given current age expectancies.
I see lots of understanding, and hope to see more in my lifetime.
>>>>> All big bangergs must be prisoned. >>>>> Neutron hole is magnetic dipole, and it is 10^36 stronger than [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > happy days and... > starry starry nights! Painius - 25 Nov 2008 10:02 GMT >>>>>> All big bangergs must be prisoned. >>>>>> Neutron hole is magnetic dipole, and it is 10^36 stronger than [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > Ok- I see you don't accept what's been discovered, repeatedly, and > accepted by others about time, space, and light. Some of it is acceptable, to be sure, Ralph.
Some of it is not.
> There are many scientists who also question these things, so you're in > decent company there. Thank Goodness for those rogue scientists, eh? As always, they are the hope for the new generation!
The dastardly rogue Copernicus challenged an idea that had foothold for thousands of years, an idea that Ptolemy and others had "proved" using mathematics.
Geocentrism.
Copernicus showed us mathematically that all things orbited the SUN, not the Earth. He was still wrong, but not as wrong as Ptolemy.
Then the rogue Galileo spent most of his life in sad contention with his beloved Church. And all because he and his telescope had found unchallengable proof in favor of Copernicus' "Heliocentrism"!
The unconscionable rogues Tycho and Kepler, both of whom practiced the undigestible pseudoscience of astrology, together gave us the elliptical orbits of the planets, the laws of planetary motion. And Kepler discovered that the Moon gave us our tides.
The list of rogues, past and present, is long and very distinguished. They give us hope that the dead-ends of the present can become the highways to the future!
> I'm sorry you wouldn't say which items are in contention, because I > wouldn't argue about it. > I'd just be curious about that aspect. There are so many questions left, > and that's what science is all about. I'm sorry you missed my "partial" list...
>> . . . Dark matter, dark energy, no viable quantum >> theory of gravity to relate to relativity theory. And even >> Einstein's theory merely describes the effects of gravity, >> rather than removing the veil of what actually *causes* >> gravitation. Dark matter and dark energy are mysterious kinds of matter and energy that were "invented" to solve some puzzles that astronomers don't understand. There is no basis in fact for either, and never will be.
Try as they might, quantum physics cannot seem to come up with a viable theory of quantum gravity. It is expected to unify gravitation with the other forces. It is also expected to explain what happened to cause the Big Bang. Newton and Einstein while giving us a very good handle on gravitation using mathematics, were unable to tell us what causes it beyond, "God causes gravity."
You mention the graviton, a particle that still eludes science. And not only the particle, but the theory as to how it causes gravitation. How do these gravitons reach up and hold us down? And how do those that are generated by the Earth differentiate themselves from those gravitons generated by the Moon? by the Sun? The Earth's gravitons reach out and hold planet Selene (the Moon) in tow. Selene's gravitons reach out and give us our tides and make Earth "wobble". The Sun's gravitons reach out and hold the entire Solar system in orbit around it. How do those rabid little transfer particles do it? And how do they "know" which planet, star, etc., generated them?
These and other elusive cul de sacs do mystify us all.
> I've been researching beyond my old, old education, and have been watching > a set of lectures from CalTech on astronomy that has explained many > details I didn't understand on the quantum nature of light and other > physical descriptions of what was first described in math. Even the photon, which must exist, as Einstein gave us with his photoelectric effect, has been further put to use to explain how light travels through space, as particle-like quanta of energy. That way, there is no need for an "aether" that light energy needs to "wave". This has led physics to the Void-Space Paradigm (VSP), and the nothingness of space-time. And this has led us to yet another dead end. It just cannot fully explain how space can be "expanded" and "curved". How does "nothing" expand and curve?
> I see no "dead-end" mysteries that I have read about, other than some of > the more speculative works in perpetual motion, and concealed machines > that supposedly create energy, without open proof. (or alien abductions, > bigfoot, and other tabloid humour) You cite conventional mysteries which may or may not be a part of physical reality. And i have cited perhaps less conventional items that hopefully you can now "see". Since i read and post in alt.astronomy, and not usually in the other groups in the header, let me take this opportunity to welcome you, Ralph, to the UseNet Newsgroup...
A l t . A s t r o n o m y !
This is a place where people love to discuss cutting- edge astronomy. If you keep coming long enough, you'll hear it all, and then some!
> Newtons work described gravity without understanding much about it. His > description was so accurate, it enabled people to get to the moon, and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "graviton". My computer participates in BOINC, donating time to students > and university studies researching these subjects. That's very commendable, Ralph! While there are some here who would denigrate Newton and Einstein, as well as other great scientists who have helped us come this far, i am not one of those. For example, even though i get very loud about the shortcomings of relativity theory and quantum mechanics, i try to never forget that both theories are thus far highly successful with their predictions and with practical applications, such as the computer in front of us that would not be there if it weren't for the success of quantum physics.
And yet i dearly love to accentuate that we still have a long way to go, and i also love to speculate about how we will get "there".
> Dark matter is another project to gain understanding of both gravity and > another 25% of the universe. CERN is working there, and hopes to get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > expected Mars missions before 2000. I was sadly mistaken in the belief > that war-monging would give way to positive exploration. I turned 20 when Armstrong set foot on the Moon. So i am familiar with these feelings.
> I've seen nothing unsolvable, especially in 8000 years. I can see the > research being done now that will affect us for the next 20 or 30, and > that's likely to be the end of my life, given current age expectancies. > > I see lots of understanding, and hope to see more in my lifetime. I want to go to Mars. I don't just mean send robots there, or even send people there. I mean i, myself, want to go to Mars. And thanks to the task being too weak to overcome politics and war, i shall probably not be able to go. And i *really* wanted to go. Oh, well, no sense whining and crying over spilt milk. People must go to Mars eventually.
There is too much of "The Explorer" in each of us to put it off indefinitely...
http://www.physorg.com/news3450.html
http://www.exploremarsnow.org/
http://www.planetary.org/programs/projects/visions/
http://www.marssociety.org/portal
happy days and... starry starry nights!
 Signature Indelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth
P.S.: "I am not an Athenian or a Greek, but a citizen of the world." > Socrates
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Saul Levy - 25 Nov 2008 11:22 GMT Too bad most of it is WRONG, Paine! lmfjao!
Saul Levy
>This is a place where people love to discuss cutting- >edge astronomy. If you keep coming long enough, >you'll hear it all, and then some! G=EMC^2 Glazier - 25 Nov 2008 12:30 GMT Cactus Saul I get a morning laugh when you post. You set yourself up as a know it all,and your telling us what is wrong is the joke.Parrots are always good for a laugh TreBert
Saul Levy - 25 Nov 2008 17:41 GMT You and WartPiggy are the main JOKES here, BEERTbrain! lmfjao!
Got a cite for those meteorites yet?
Saul Levy
>Cactus Saul I get a morning laugh when you post. You set yourself up as >a know it all,and your telling us what is wrong is the joke.Parrots are >always good for a laugh TreBert Painius - 25 Nov 2008 13:08 GMT >> This is a place where people love to discuss cutting- >> edge astronomy. If you keep coming long enough, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Saul Levy And you always sound a bit surprised about that, Saul.
By now you should be used to it. Whenever sitting on the cutting edge, it's a razor-sharp tightwire act, and one might fall either way, the right side or the wrong side.
New ideas are usually wrong, but every once in awhile, a new idea turns out to be a closer approximation of physical reality. AND... That's what it's all about!
H o k e y P o k e y !
(OMIGOD! I don't believe you made me remember that whimsical childhood dance! <g>)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E5F2iDg0FU
rotdflmfaao!
happy days and... starry starry nights!
 Signature Indelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth
P.S.: "I am not an Athenian or a Greek, but a citizen of the world." > Socrates
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Saul Levy - 25 Nov 2008 17:39 GMT Can you remember the last time BEERTbrain was right about something, Paine? lmfjao!
You need a 10 second delay before doing the Hokey Pokey?
Saul Levy
>>> This is a place where people love to discuss cutting- >>> edge astronomy. If you keep coming long enough, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >rotdflmfaao! Painius - 25 Nov 2008 23:26 GMT > Can you remember the last time BEERTbrain was right about something, > Paine? lmfjao! Yes!
> You need a 10 second delay before doing the Hokey Pokey? Yeah... what's up with that?
> Saul Levy > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >>rotdflmfaao! happy days and... starry starry nights!
 Signature Indelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth
P.S.: "The gods too are fond of a joke." > Aristotle
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G=EMC^2 Glazier - 26 Nov 2008 00:08 GMT Painius If I hold back my far out ideas they will die with me,and what good is that. Yes I have had ideas that I posted that were bad,but who did they hurt,and even a bad idea is better than no idea(thoughts) Do not mind be called old I can not help that. Do mind being called an old fart. I can help control my farting,and never fart in a car with people in it. Never fart taking a girl out and eating peperoni pizza even through peperoni gives me gas. Wish Cactus Saul would call me an old burper. It has a better ring to it,and no smell Go figure TreBert
oldcoot - 26 Nov 2008 00:27 GMT Also Bert, if you fart in church you have to sit in your own pew.
Jeff▲Relf - 26 Nov 2008 07:08 GMT Re: Ivan Gorelik's comment: “ Big Bangers must be imprisoned. ”: news:94476f5c-4d81-4722-a240-a56913a5ba68@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com
You wrote: “ if you fart in church you have to sit in your own pew. ”.
Free the Big Bangers !
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