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A Perspective on the Distance to the Moon

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javawizard - 12 Jul 2008 22:07 GMT
If you could get in your car right now and start driving nonstop to
the moon at 55 miles per hour, you would get there in a little over
six months (27 weeks). If your car could get 20 miles per gallon on
this trip, you would need 12,500 gallons of gas. - from the Space
section of www.odd-info.com
BradGuth - 13 Jul 2008 01:06 GMT
> If you could get in your car right now and start driving nonstop to
> the moon at 55 miles per hour, you would get there in a little over
> six months (27 weeks). If your car could get 20 miles per gallon on
> this trip, you would need 12,500 gallons of gas. - from the Space
> section ofwww.odd-info.com

That's also a lot of beer and pizza to go.

But the frequent pitstops for fuel and don't forget them pesky oil
changes and tire rotations are real road-trip killers.

Exactly how rad-hard is your DNA?

That air conditioning is going to need at least ten fold greater
capacity.

It sounds like you're going for a one way mission, and therefore
reentry isn't a factor.

-    Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Mark Earnest - 13 Jul 2008 03:15 GMT
> If you could get in your car right now and start driving nonstop to
> the moon at 55 miles per hour, you would get there in a little over
> six months (27 weeks). If your car could get 20 miles per gallon on
> this trip, you would need 12,500 gallons of gas. - from the Space
> section of www.odd-info.com

If it takes six months for a car to get there, then why did it not take
the also tiny Apollo command/service/lunar module only three days?
chatnoir - 13 Jul 2008 03:33 GMT
> > If you could get in your car right now and start driving nonstop to
> > the moon at 55 miles per hour, you would get there in a little over
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> If it takes six months for a car to get there, then why did it not take
> the also tiny Apollo command/service/lunar module only three days?

Velocity!
Mark Earnest - 13 Jul 2008 03:41 GMT
On Jul 12, 8:15 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "javawizard" <javawiz...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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> If it takes six months for a car to get there, then why did it not take
> the also tiny Apollo command/service/lunar module only three days?

Velocity!

*****Then how did it ever slow down?
chatnoir - 13 Jul 2008 04:27 GMT
> On Jul 12, 8:15 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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>
> *****Then how did it ever slow down?

Fire the thrusters in the opposite direction of travel in space!
Coming into earth, you use the air resistance , reverse thrusters and
parachutes!
Mark Earnest - 13 Jul 2008 05:07 GMT
On Jul 12, 8:41 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "chatnoir" <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> *****Then how did it ever slow down?

Fire the thrusters in the opposite direction of travel in space!
Coming into earth, you use the air resistance , reverse thrusters and
parachutes!

Come on!  That tiny little ship could not have had enough fuel to
outdo a car by a factor of sixty....and then even have enough left to slow
down.  There is some phenomenon here that no one is catching onto.
chatnoir - 13 Jul 2008 07:18 GMT
> On Jul 12, 8:41 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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> outdo a car by a factor of sixty....and then even have enough left to slow
> down.  There is some phenomenon here that no one is catching onto.

Lack of friction!
Timberwoof - 13 Jul 2008 07:32 GMT
> On Jul 12, 8:41 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "chatnoir" <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> outdo a car by a factor of sixty....and then even have enough left to slow
> down.  There is some phenomenon here that no one is catching onto.

You're making my brain hurt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V
It carried over two thousand tons of fuel and oxygen.
12,500 gallons is only 34 tons of gasoline.

You stay right there. I'm getting my chamber-pot.

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emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

Mark Earnest - 13 Jul 2008 23:13 GMT
>> On Jul 12, 8:41 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > "chatnoir" <wolfbat3...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> You stay right there. I'm getting my chamber-pot.

The Saturn V just got the command/service/lunar module into orbit.
It was totally the tiny service module that did all the rest of the super
increidible accelerations and decelerations...except for re-entry, anyway.

With just that, it should not have been able to travel 60 times faster than
a car on the highway.
BradGuth - 13 Jul 2008 23:27 GMT
> > In article <DZGdnbzGhoYz4uTVnZ2dnUVZ_g-dn...@posted.internetamerica>,
>
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> With just that, it should not have been able to travel 60 times faster than
> a car on the highway.

Lots of the 30% inert GLOW about the Saturn V and of its Apollo
mission as payload simply do not add up.  Apparently the DARPA laws of
fly-by-rocket physics work entirely differently while off-world.

Of their getting to/from the Earth-moon L1 was technically doable
within the given amount of time and available resources.  Everything
else was likely accomplished via robotics, except for the hocus-pocus
matters of their supposedly doing those moonsuit EVAs.

-    Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Hagar - 14 Jul 2008 15:40 GMT
>> > In article <DZGdnbzGhoYz4uTVnZ2dnUVZ_g-dn...@posted.internetamerica>,
>>
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>
> - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

Guthball, you forgot to mention "lithobreaking" and that nifty Supercomputer
analysis.
Hagar - 14 Jul 2008 15:42 GMT
>>> > In article <DZGdnbzGhoYz4uTVnZ2dnUVZ_g-dn...@posted.internetamerica>,
>>>
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> Guthball, you forgot to mention "lithobreaking" and that nifty
> Supercomputer analysis.

I actually meant to say "lithobraking", but since either is a figment of
your imagination, it doesn't really matter how it is spelled.
oldcoot - 14 Jul 2008 18:11 GMT
> I actually meant to say "lithobraking", but since either is a figment of
> your imagination, it doesn't really matter how it is spelled.

It sounds like a fanciful description of airbag-cushioned landing,
adapted from aerobraking.
oldcoot - 18 Jul 2008 18:47 GMT
Check out the video link in this article, a time-lapse sequence of the
moon occulting the Earth, seen from the Deep Impact spacecraft. -

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20080718/sc_space/newvideoseesearthfromalienperspective
Saul Levy - 14 Jul 2008 07:53 GMT
Another look at how STUPID you are, Mark!  lmao!

Leaving the Earth and going into orbit is the bulk of the delta-V
needed to go to the Moon.  The rest is TINY in comparison.

Remember there is no friction in space?

Saul Levy

>The Saturn V just got the command/service/lunar module into orbit.
>It was totally the tiny service module that did all the rest of the super
>increidible accelerations and decelerations...except for re-entry, anyway.
>
>With just that, it should not have been able to travel 60 times faster than
>a car on the highway.
Saul Levy - 13 Jul 2008 11:08 GMT
It's called being SMARTER than Mark Earnest!  lmao!

How much did the Saturn 5 weight?  How much of that weight was fuel?

You really have NO IDEA how space travel is accomplished.

Saul Levy

>Come on!  That tiny little ship could not have had enough fuel to
>outdo a car by a factor of sixty....and then even have enough left to slow
>down.  There is some phenomenon here that no one is catching onto.
Saul Levy - 13 Jul 2008 11:05 GMT
Are you really paying attention, Mark?  lmao!

Seems NOT!  55 MILES PER HOUR won't get you away from the Earth.

Hint:  They went a LOT FASTER on Apollo.

Saul Levy

>> If you could get in your car right now and start driving nonstop to
>> the moon at 55 miles per hour, you would get there in a little over
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>If it takes six months for a car to get there, then why did it not take
>the also tiny Apollo command/service/lunar module only three days?
metspitzer - 13 Jul 2008 03:59 GMT
>If you could get in your car right now and start driving nonstop to
>the moon at 55 miles per hour, you would get there in a little over
>six months (27 weeks). If your car could get 20 miles per gallon on
>this trip, you would need 12,500 gallons of gas. - from the Space
>section of www.odd-info.com

Richard Dawkins uses the example of the age of the earth.  Young Earth
Creationists say the age of the earth is 6000 years.

Dawkins says if we measure the distance cross country from New York to
California would be 7 yards.

How about......... if we use this blackboard (6' x 4') and chart the
age of the earth as 6000 years then adjust for the true age of the
earth the black board would be (how big)?

How about others?
 
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