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Space Forum / Astronomy / July 2008Bin Ladens to buy Newcastle United?
Bin Ladens to buy Newcastle United? From the rumour mills..... Quote: Newcastle fans have reacted furiously after learning that relatives of Osama Bin Laden are among the front runners to buy their club. The Bin Ladens, who own a Saudi Arabian building firm, are set to bid £300m for the Premier League club. (The Sun) And this is of Earth-shaking importance for what reason, WartPiggy? lmfjao! Are the going to blow it up once they buy it? Saul Levy >Bin Ladens to buy Newcastle United? >From the rumour mills..... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Ladens, who own a Saudi Arabian building firm, are set to bid £300m >for the Premier League club. (The Sun) Seems like the conversion process for the general Limey population from whatever to the Muslim faith is well ahead of schedule. Can't wait to see Charles in a turban and his horse-faced Camilla in a veil ... finally. > And this is of Earth-shaking importance for what reason, WartPiggy? > lmfjao! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>Ladens, who own a Saudi Arabian building firm, are set to bid £300m >>for the Premier League club. (The Sun) >Bin Ladens to buy Newcastle United? >From the rumour mills..... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Ladens, who own a Saudi Arabian building firm, are set to bid £300m >for the Premier League club. (The Sun) Well Bush did fly the Binladens out after 911 when all flights were canceled. I'd be pissed as well. >>Bin Ladens to buy Newcastle United? >>From the rumour mills..... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Well Bush did fly the Binladens out after 911 when all flights were > canceled. That was just ole Dubya looking after the people who bailed him out of bankruptcy. He looks after his mates, you've gotta give him that ;-) > I'd be pissed as well. >That was just ole Dubya looking after the people who bailed him out of >bankruptcy. He looks after his mates, you've gotta give him that ;-) Yeah and threatening to fire any FBI agent who tried to investigate the Binladens before 911. Is that more of the same? >>Bin Ladens to buy Newcastle United? >>From the rumour mills..... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >canceled. >I'd be pissed as well. Why? Did Martin Bryant's relatives have anything to do with killing 35 people at Port Arthur? How about Julian Knight's family? Hoddle Street massacre their fault? Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. They killed 13 people and injured 23 at Columbine High School. Are their families guilty of this crime as well? No? Then what is your problem with "Bush" flying the Bin Ladens out 8 days after 119? And how did Bush get the time off from being the president to be able to fly to Saudi Arabia and back during that time of crisis? http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2001/sep/21/warinafghanistan2001.september112001 <quote> Binladin Group is not on any US blacklists and there is no evidence linking any of Osama's 50 siblings to the attacks. In a statement last Friday, the head of the family, Abdullah Awad Obood bin Laden, again distanced the company from the man who has become the pariah of the family. He reiterated that the family "has no connection with his works and activities" and expressed "the strongest denunciation and condemnation of this sad event". </quote> Shill #2 -- I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) >>> Bin Ladens to buy Newcastle United? >> >From the rumour mills..... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Shill #2 When such a disaster hits and a moratorium is declared on travel until things are sorted out.. That means every f.cking body. But a communist cocksuker like you would not give a sh.t about America's security. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >When such a disaster hits and a moratorium is declared on travel until >things are sorted out.. That means every f.cking body. http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch10.htm <quote> Flights of Saudi Nationals Leaving the United States Three questions have arisen with respect to the departure of Saudi nationals from the United States in the immediate aftermath of 9/11: (1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001? (2) Was there any political intervention to facilitate the departure of Saudi nationals? (3) Did the FBI screen Saudi nationals thoroughly before their departure? First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001.24 To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.25 Second, we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals. The issue came up in one of the many video teleconferences of the interagency group Clarke chaired, and Clarke said he approved of how the FBI was dealing with the matter when it came up for interagency discussion at his level. Clarke told us, "I asked the FBI, Dale Watson . . . to handle that, to check to see if that was all right with them, to see if they wanted access to any of these people, and to get back to me. And if they had no objections, it would be fine with me." Clarke added, "I have no recollection of clearing it with anybody at the White House."26 Although White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card remembered someone telling him about the Saudi request shortly after 9/11, he said he had not talked to the Saudis and did not ask anyone to do anything about it. The President and Vice President told us they were not aware of the issue at all until it surfaced much later in the media. None of the officials we interviewed recalled any intervention or direction on this matter from any political appointee.27 Third, we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights.28 The Saudi government was advised of and agreed to the FBI's requirements that passengers be identified and checked against various databases before the flights departed.29The Federal Aviation Administration representative working in the FBI operations center made sure that the FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen the passengers before they were allowed to depart.30 The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.31 </quote> >But a communist cocksuker like you would not give a sh.t about America's >security. Do I give a sh.t about America's security? No, not really. I leave the cocksucking to the wife. Shill #2 -- Roses are red, violets are blue, one of us is a moron, I think that it's you. >Why? Did Martin Bryant's relatives have anything to do with killing 35 people at >Port Arthur? How about Julian Knight's family? Hoddle Street massacre their [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Then what is your problem with "Bush" flying the Bin Ladens out 8 days after >119? No one else was allowed to fly. Bush also threatened to arrest any FBI agent who tried to investiagte the Binladens before 911. If thats not corruption I dont know what is. Also those people's relatives are not members of an islamofacist country that hates America, opresses its own people and even funded the 911 hijackers. They also didnt do buisness with president Bush. >And how did Bush get the time off from being the president to be able to >fly to Saudi Arabia and back during that time of crisis? He allowed them to fly while everyone else was grounded. >http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2001/sep/21/warinafghanistan2001.september112001 ><quote> >Binladin Group is not on any US blacklists and there is no evidence linking any >of Osama's 50 siblings to the attacks. In a statement last Friday, the head of >the family, Abdullah Awad Obood bin Laden, again distanced the company from the >man who has become the pariah of the family. Bush didnt know that when he allowed them to fly back to Saudi Arabia. >He reiterated that the family "has no connection with his works and activities" >and expressed "the strongest denunciation and condemnation of this sad event". ></quote> >>Why? Did Martin Bryant's relatives have anything to do with killing 35 people at >>Port Arthur? How about Julian Knight's family? Hoddle Street massacre their [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >agent who tried to investiagte the Binladens before 911. If thats not >corruption I dont know what is. http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch10.htm <quote> Flights of Saudi Nationals Leaving the United States Three questions have arisen with respect to the departure of Saudi nationals from the United States in the immediate aftermath of 9/11: (1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001? (2) Was there any political intervention to facilitate the departure of Saudi nationals? (3) Did the FBI screen Saudi nationals thoroughly before their departure? First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001.24 To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.25 Second, we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals. The issue came up in one of the many video teleconferences of the interagency group Clarke chaired, and Clarke said he approved of how the FBI was dealing with the matter when it came up for interagency discussion at his level. Clarke told us, "I asked the FBI, Dale Watson . . . to handle that, to check to see if that was all right with them, to see if they wanted access to any of these people, and to get back to me. And if they had no objections, it would be fine with me." Clarke added, "I have no recollection of clearing it with anybody at the White House."26 Although White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card remembered someone telling him about the Saudi request shortly after 9/11, he said he had not talked to the Saudis and did not ask anyone to do anything about it. The President and Vice President told us they were not aware of the issue at all until it surfaced much later in the media. None of the officials we interviewed recalled any intervention or direction on this matter from any political appointee.27 Third, we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights.28 The Saudi government was advised of and agreed to the FBI's requirements that passengers be identified and checked against various databases before the flights departed.29The Federal Aviation Administration representative working in the FBI operations center made sure that the FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen the passengers before they were allowed to depart.30 The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.31 </quote> >Also those people's relatives are not members of an islamofacist >country that hates America, opresses its own people and even funded >the 911 hijackers. Oh! SO where a person lives has a bearing on whether they are guilty by association or not. Fascist! >They also didnt do buisness with president Bush. Oh! So business ties are proof of guilt. Fascist! >>And how did Bush get the time off from being the president to be able to >>fly to Saudi Arabia and back during that time of crisis? >> >He allowed them to fly while everyone else was grounded. No. He didn't. See above. Got any evidence to the contrary? >>http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2001/sep/21/warinafghanistan2001.september112001 >><quote> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >Bush didnt know that when he allowed them to fly back to Saudi Arabia. Even if true, how the hell do you know what the President of The United States knew or didn't know?` >>He reiterated that the family "has no connection with his works and activities" >>and expressed "the strongest denunciation and condemnation of this sad event". >></quote> Shill #2 -- I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) >>>Why? Did Martin Bryant's relatives have anything to do with killing 35 people at >>>Port Arthur? How about Julian Knight's family? Hoddle Street massacre their [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >morning of September 13, 2001.24 To the contrary, every flight we have >identified occurred after national airspace reopened.25 Like these? http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/200828512758358 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34405 >Second, we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no evidence >that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clarke participated in [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >known links to terrorism departed on these flights.31 ></quote> Ok so the FBi flew them out. >>Also those people's relatives are not members of an islamofacist >>country that hates America, opresses its own people and even funded >>the 911 hijackers. > >Oh! SO where a person lives has a bearing on whether they are guilty by >association or not. Fascist! Would you be comfy with the Binladen family owning your favorite team? >>They also didnt do buisness with president Bush. I meant to say did do buisness. >Oh! So business ties are proof of guilt. Fascist! Try telling that to people who think just because Barrack Obama's kids went to the same school of a convicted terrorist he's a terrorist. Or that just because Rev Right is a racist and radical Obama must be racist and radical. The fact of the matter is not everyone trusts the Binladen family. Plus they live in a country that opreses women and kills Christains. >>>And how did Bush get the time off from being the president to be able to >>>fly to Saudi Arabia and back during that time of crisis? >>> >>He allowed them to fly while everyone else was grounded. > >No. He didn't. See above. Got any evidence to the contrary? Yep the articles. >>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2001/sep/21/warinafghanistan2001.september112001 >>><quote> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Even if true, how the hell do you know what the President of The United States >knew or didn't know?` Bush knew something? haha thats a good one. >>>He reiterated that the family "has no connection with his works and activities" >>>and expressed "the strongest denunciation and condemnation of this sad event". >>></quote> > >Shill #2 >>>>Why? Did Martin Bryant's relatives have anything to do with killing 35 people at >>>>Port Arthur? How about Julian Knight's family? Hoddle Street massacre their [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Like these? >http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml See above. "(1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001?" >http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml This story says, right at the bottom, "Bin Laden is estranged from his family and from Saudi Arabia, which revoked his citizenship in the early 1990s after he was caught smuggling weapons from Yemen." >http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/200828512758358 This one says "Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to the US who is said to have organised the exodus, met President George Bush on September 13, 2001, two days after the terror attacks." See above. "(1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001?" >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34405 And this one says "Once the flight ban was lifted, two jumbo jets transported the Saudis out of the country. The Boston Globe reported at the time that two flights bound for Saudi Arabia with members of the bin Laden clan on board left Logan on Sept. 18 and 19. Other reports put the departure date at Sept. 14." See above. "(1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001?" >>Second, we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no evidence >>that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clarke participated in [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >Ok so the FBi flew them out. Yes. After "The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion." >>>Also those people's relatives are not members of an islamofacist >>>country that hates America, opresses its own people and even funded [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >Would you be comfy with the Binladen family owning your favorite team? Yes. Why not. They are business people. Unless you have a problem with Arabs. Do you have a problem with Arabs Seon? >>>They also didnt do buisness with president Bush. >> >I meant to say did do buisness. So what? Bush used to be a businessman. The Bin Laden's are business people. Business people do business with other business people 24 hours a day all over the planet. IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT THAT ONE OF THEM IS A MURDEROUS JERK. Just like Martin Bryant's family, Julian Knight's family, Ted Bundy's family, or any other murderous jerk's family. >>Oh! So business ties are proof of guilt. Fascist! >> >Try telling that to people who think just because Barrack Obama's kids >went to the same school of a convicted terrorist he's a terrorist. No. I don't live in America. I don't give a sh.t about Barrack Obama, or what stupid people accuse him of. Why do you? >Or that just because Rev Right is a racist and radical Obama must be >racist and radical. See above. >The fact of the matter is not everyone trusts the Binladen family. So f.cking what? There is no evidence that the family has ever done anything wrong. Unless you have some. Do you? You're not convicting people without evidence again, are you Seon? >Plus they live in a country that opreses women and kills Christains. So f.cking what? Those things are perfectly legal in that country. Not in favour of an invasion to force your way of life on them, are you Seon? What a fascist. >>>>And how did Bush get the time off from being the president to be able to >>>>fly to Saudi Arabia and back during that time of crisis? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >Yep the articles. There is *no* evidence in any of those articles that Bush allowed anyone to do *anything*. >>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2001/sep/21/warinafghanistan2001.september112001 >>>><quote> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >Bush knew something? haha thats a good one. The question, which you didn't answer, was how do you know, not about what Bush knew. How the hell do you know what the President of The United States knew or didn't know? Shill #2 -- I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) > >>>>Why? Did Martin Bryant's relatives have anything to do with killing 35 people at > >>>>Port Arthur? How about Julian Knight's family? Hoddle Street massacre their [quoted text clipped - 174 lines] > How the hell do you know what the President of The United States knew or didn't > know? Let me guess, he read it all on those koo-koo-kooky kookpages? > Shill #2 > -- > I am not young enough to know everything. > Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)  SignatureBDK kOOk Magnet! NJJ CLUB #1 Shillmaster >> >>>>Why? Did Martin Bryant's relatives have anything to do with killing 35 people at >> >>>>Port Arthur? How about Julian Knight's family? Hoddle Street massacre their [quoted text clipped - 176 lines] > >Let me guess, he read it all on those koo-koo-kooky kookpages? Seon's a worry. Not least because he seems to be condemning the Bin Laden family without trial. A thing he claims to abhor. Shill #2 -- I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) >This story says, right at the bottom, "Bin Laden is estranged from his family >and from Saudi Arabia, which revoked his citizenship in the early 1990s after he >was caught smuggling weapons from Yemen." Sure if you want to believe that... >>http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/200828512758358 > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >See above. "(1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national >airspace reopened on September 13, 2001?" Those flights left on September 13th. now all we need to do is figure out if it was before or after the airspace reopened. >Yes. After "The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior >to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to >the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion." Did they come to that conclusion before or after they flew them out? >>>>Also those people's relatives are not members of an islamofacist >>>>country that hates America, opresses its own people and even funded [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Yes. Why not. They are business people. Unless you have a problem with Arabs. Do >you have a problem with Arabs Seon? No I have a problem with wahhabists or jihadists who want to force me to convert to there Religion and with any country that doesnt give women equal rights and still kills Witches or gay people. >>>>They also didnt do buisness with president Bush. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >like Martin Bryant's family, Julian Knight's family, Ted Bundy's family, or any >other murderous jerk's family. I still dont trust them. >>>Oh! So business ties are proof of guilt. Fascist! >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >No. I don't live in America. I don't give a sh.t about Barrack Obama, or what >stupid people accuse him of. Why do you? Because I care when politicans get smeared. >>Or that just because Rev Right is a racist and radical Obama must be >>racist and radical. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >wrong. Unless you have some. Do you? You're not convicting people without >evidence again, are you Seon? I just dont trust the Binladens or anyone from Saudi Arabia who accepts a women getting lashed just for reporting a rape.. >>Plus they live in a country that opreses women and kills Christains. > >So f.cking what? Those things are perfectly legal in that country. Not in favour >of an invasion to force your way of life on them, are you Seon? What a fascist. I guess killing Jews in the Holocaust would be ok because it was the Nazi's "way of life" >>>>>And how did Bush get the time off from being the president to be able to >>>>>fly to Saudi Arabia and back during that time of crisis? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >There is *no* evidence in any of those articles that Bush allowed anyone to do >*anything*. No I guess I need to start saying the FBI. >>>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2001/sep/21/warinafghanistan2001.september112001 >>>>><quote> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >How the hell do you know what the President of The United States knew or didn't >know? I dont know he isnt telling anyone. >Shill #2 >-- >I am not young enough to know everything. > Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) >>This story says, right at the bottom, "Bin Laden is estranged from his family >>and from Saudi Arabia, which revoked his citizenship in the early 1990s after he >>was caught smuggling weapons from Yemen." >> >Sure if you want to believe that... It was from a story *YOU* quoted! This one: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml Apparently *you* believed the rest of the article. >>>http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/200828512758358 >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Those flights left on September 13th. now all we need to do is figure >out if it was before or after the airspace reopened. READ!!! It says "...national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001". More evidence? http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CWU/is_2001_Sept_13/ai_78231864 US airspace reopens Airline Industry Information, Sept 13, 2001 AIRLINE INDUSTRY INFORMATION-(C)1997-2001 M2 COMMUNICATIONS LTD "US airspace reopened to commercial flights at 1100 EDT today (13 September), but passengers are likely to face widespread delays for some time." >>Yes. After "The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior >>to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to >>the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion." >> >Did they come to that conclusion before or after they flew them out? READ!!!! "The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures." "The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures." "The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures." You do know what "prior" means? "The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion." >>>>>Also those people's relatives are not members of an islamofacist >>>>>country that hates America, opresses its own people and even funded [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >No I have a problem with wahhabists or jihadists who want to force me And you have evidence that the members of the Bin Laden family that was flown out of the US on September 13 where Wahhabists, or Jihadists? Maybe you should work for the FBI. >to convert to there Religion and with any country that doesnt give >women equal rights and still kills Witches or gay people. So because these people live in a particular country you would take away their rights in another country? You're not related to Mussolini, or Stalin, are you? >>>>>They also didnt do buisness with president Bush. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >I still dont trust them. They are guilty of nothing! Ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"? You seem to be discriminating against these people based on where they live. What a racist! >>>>Oh! So business ties are proof of guilt. Fascist! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >Because I care when politicans get smeared. All politicians *should* be smeared. They should be made to parade about in funny outfits and stand still for anyone who wants to hurl rotten vegetables at them. >>>Or that just because Rev Right is a racist and radical Obama must be >>>racist and radical. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I just dont trust the Binladens or anyone from Saudi Arabia who >accepts a women getting lashed just for reporting a rape.. Racist! >>>Plus they live in a country that opreses women and kills Christains. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I guess killing Jews in the Holocaust would be ok because it was the >Nazi's "way of life" Hmm... kOOker tactic #23. Head off at a tangent. >>>>>>And how did Bush get the time off from being the president to be able to >>>>>>fly to Saudi Arabia and back during that time of crisis? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >No I guess I need to start saying the FBI. Hurray! >>>>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2001/sep/21/warinafghanistan2001.september112001 >>>>>><quote> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >I dont know No. You don't. So stop saying things like "Bush didn't know that when he allowed them to fly back to Saudi Arabia." >he isnt telling anyone. He probably wasn't even consulted. Shill #2 -- I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) >Apparently *you* believed the rest of the article. I believe they say they cut all ties from Osama but I still have my doubts. >READ!!! > >It says "...national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001". So what was the big deal Michael Moore was making in faranheit 911? >READ!!!! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >You do know what "prior" means? Yes but did they decide they had no links to 911 before theyw hisked the Saudi's away? >"The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their >departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >out of the US on September 13 where Wahhabists, or Jihadists? Maybe you should >work for the FBI. Well Wahabbi Islam is one of the most popular forms of islam over there. Most Saudi's hate America and probally think 911 was a good thing. >>to convert to there Religion and with any country that doesnt give >>women equal rights and still kills Witches or gay people. > >So because these people live in a particular country you would take away their >rights in another country? You're not related to Mussolini, or Stalin, are you? There rights to what, kill innocent people? Is that a right now? >>>>>>They also didnt do buisness with president Bush. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >seem to be discriminating against these people based on where they live. What a >racist! No based on there last name, the fact that they probally support opressing women and junk. >>>>>Oh! So business ties are proof of guilt. Fascist! >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >funny outfits and stand still for anyone who wants to hurl rotten vegetables at >them. They should be but when its something stupid like the guy who's kids go to the same school as him isnt that going a bit to far? >>I just dont trust the Binladens or anyone from Saudi Arabia who >>accepts a women getting lashed just for reporting a rape.. > >Racist! I guess I'm racist for being against Communist China or the dictator of North korea throwing anyone who questions one aspect of government policy in concetration camps. >>>>Plus they live in a country that opreses women and kills Christains. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Hmm... kOOker tactic #23. Head off at a tangent. No its perfectly on topic. If I cant be against tyranny in other countries because I dont live there and shouldnt push my silly values of freedom and liberty onto them then in essence I shouldnt be allowed to hate Hitler for what he did to the Jews or be against the Holocaust. >>READ!!! >> >>It says "...national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001". >> >So what was the big deal Michael Moore was making in faranheit 911? You tell me. Do you believe anything Michael Moore has to say? He is not the first person who springs to my mind when I am looking for a source of unbiased information. >>READ!!!! >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Yes but did they decide they had no links to 911 before theyw hisked >the Saudi's away? For f.ck's Sake! READ. BELOW! What does the paragraph below say? >>"The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their >>departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 >>attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion." Did you *read* it this time? >>>>>>>Also those people's relatives are not members of an islamofacist >>>>>>>country that hates America, opresses its own people and even funded [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >there. Most Saudi's hate America and probally think 911 was a good >thing. So? Why does this preclude these people from buying a sporting team? Just because most of some people are something does not mean that the people in question are. You present no evidence. Again. You are judging these people on this same lack of evidence. Pre judging them. pre-judge. prejudice. You are prejudiced. Racist! >>>to convert to there Religion and with any country that doesnt give >>>women equal rights and still kills Witches or gay people. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >There rights to what, kill innocent people? Is that a right now? The f.cking word it *their* moron! What innocent people have been killed by the Bin Laden family (those that want to buy Newcastle United) in Great Britain? Evidence please. The conversation was... I said "So because these people live in a particular country you would take away their rights in another country?" IE because the Bin Ladens live in Saudi Arabia you want to stop them buying a football team. You came back with... "The[ir] rights to what, kill innocent people? Is that a right now?" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non+sequitur non sequitur Main Entry: non se·qui·tur Pronunciation: \'nän-'se-kw?-t?r also -?tu?r\ Function: noun Etymology: Latin, it does not follow Date: 1540 1: an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent 2: a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said >>>>>>>They also didnt do buisness with president Bush. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >No based on there last name, There's that prejudice again. So based on this theory all of the Bryants in the world are liable to go crazy with a rifle at an historical site and shoot dozens of people? Anyone named Ferguson is going to be totally incapable of working out the difference between their, there, and they're? Anyone named Costello is going to be a penny pinching miserly scrooge, who becomes Treasurer and taxes people silly? Oh... wait... there is another Costello who "is recognised as one of Australias leading voices on social justice issues, having spearheaded public debates on gambling, urban poverty, homelessness, reconciliation and substance abuse." and "...Chief Executive of World Vision Australia." A persons last name tells you *their* ancestry. It tells you *nothing* about their character. > the fact that they probally support opressing women and junk. Probably? PROBABLY!? How can you sit there and dictate what these people can or can not buy based on prejudice and f.cking PROBABLY? Is Britain a free country? Are people allowed to buy things in a free country with a free market economy? What would preclude someone from buying something in a free market economy? Perhaps evidence of criminal activity. At least it should. DO you have any actual evidence that the members of the Bin Laden family that want to buy Newcastle United are guilty of anything you have ascribed to them? REAL evidence. Proven evidence. No? Then you are just as prejudiced, just as racist, as the nut cases you rant on at day after day in these fora. Shill #2 -- I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be. Isaac Asimov - The Roving Mind (1983) >Probably? PROBABLY!? How can you sit there and dictate what these people can or >can not buy based on prejudice and f.cking PROBABLY? I never said they shouldnt be allowed to buy a team I said if I was a fan I would be pissed and those fans have as much of a right to be pissed as they do to buy a team. >Is Britain a free country? Are people allowed to buy things in a free country >with a free market economy? What would preclude someone from buying something in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Shill #2 Oh i thought you meant they should have a right to kill innocent people. No they should have a right to buy a football team but those fans should have a right to be outraged. You have a point about Michael Moore. he's about as biased as fox news. What i was asking is did the FBI find them innocent on the day they flew out on September 13th. >What i was asking is did the FBI find them innocent on the day they >flew out on September 13th. "The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion." 1. "The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures." 2. "They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks..." 3. "...and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion." What part of this don't you understand? Shill #2 -- I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) > >What i was asking is did the FBI find them innocent on the day they > >flew out on September 13th. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I am not young enough to know everything. > Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) It seems like maybe all of it, since he's had to have read it a few times by now... The boy concerns me at times. SignatureBDK kOOk Magnet! NJJ CLUB #1 Shillmaster >> >What i was asking is did the FBI find them innocent on the day they >> >flew out on September 13th. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >The boy concerns me at times. It is just... staggering. I must have posted that 1/2 a dozen times, at least. And yet he keeps asking the same dumb question. Shill #2 -- I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) > >This story says, right at the bottom, "Bin Laden is estranged from his family > >and from Saudi Arabia, which revoked his citizenship in the early 1990s after he > >was caught smuggling weapons from Yemen." > > Sure if you want to believe that... For f.ck’S SAKE, it’s YOUR CITE!! Either you posted it because you believe it or you don’t. WTF is wrong with you? > >>http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20082851275... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Those flights left on September 13th. now all we need to do is figure > out if it was before or after the airspace reopened. Moron, it was AFTER. Read the friggin sources. > >Yes. After "The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior > >to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to > >the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion." > > Did they come to that conclusion before or after they flew them out? What’s your guess, dipshit? > >>>>Also those people's relatives are not members of an islamofacist > >>>>country that hates America, opresses its own people and even funded [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > to convert to there Religion and with any country that doesnt give > women equal rights and still kills Witches or gay people. So you’re gay? > >>>>>And how did Bush get the time off from being the president to be able to > >>>>>fly to Saudi Arabia and back during that time of crisis? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No I guess I need to start saying the FBI. And you also need to start saying you f.cked up… none of the public flew before the airspace was reopened. >So youre gay? i'm against people being stoned to death for practicing Witchcraft as well. It doesnt mean I'm a Witch. I'm against people being stoned to death for adultury, it doesnt mean I'd ever cheat on my wife if I ever get married, I also believe white people are equal to black people. it doesnt mean I'm black. I also believe men and women are equal. It doesnt mean I'm a women. Well I wasnt last time I checked anyway. Get my point? But it doesnt really matter if you call me gay I know I'm straight and thats all that matters. I hope you enjoyed my little speech. Oh yeah and govshill I forgot to point out Islam is not a race. If Muslims were from Saudi Arabia and they were more moderate I wouldnt mind them owning my favorite team. Its extremist Islam or wahabbisim that I am against. >Oh yeah and govshill I forgot to point out Islam is not a race. So? You are accusing these people because of where they live and what their names are. You are a racist! http://www.hri.org/docs/ICERD66.html UNITED NATIONS International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination PART I Article 1 In this Convention, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life. Take special note of this: "..."racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin..." That's you Seon. Discriminating based on descent, national AND ethnic origin. >If Muslims were from Saudi Arabia and they were more moderate I wouldnt >mind them owning my favorite team. Its extremist Islam or wahabbisim >that I am against. And you have provided no evidence that any person wishing to buy Newcastle United is Islamic extremist or Whabbist. NONE. Shill #2 -- I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be. Isaac Asimov - The Roving Mind (1983) The U.N., after the Chinese, are the MOST RACIST ORGANIZATION ON EARTH! This bill is a total JOKE! Saul Levy >UNITED NATIONS >International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other >field of public life. >>Oh yeah and govshill I forgot to point out Islam is not a race. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You are a racist! Wow govshill I didnt realise you were so politically correct. > http://www.hri.org/docs/ICERD66.html > UNITED NATIONS [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > be. > Isaac Asimov - The Roving Mind (1983) >>>Oh yeah and govshill I forgot to point out Islam is not a race. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Wow govshill I didnt realise you were so politically correct. I'm not. I'm the most un-PC old fart you are likely to meet. I am just trying to point out your double standard. In one thread you'll rant on and on about people's rights, how everyone should be treated fairly, how no one should be arrested unless there is sound evidence that they broke the law, yadda yadda yadda... And in this thread you have all but crucified a bunch of people because of their family name and where they live. Nothing else. No facts. No evidence. No rights. No trial. They should have been detained, without just cause, because their name is Bin Laden. Right? Shill #2 -- I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) >>>>Oh yeah and govshill I forgot to point out Islam is not a race. >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > just > cause, because their name is Bin Laden. Right? I dont think they should be detained but they should have at least been questioned (which they were) like do you know the whereabouts of osama etc. What I was against was that Muslims were arrested after 911 left right and centre and the Binladens were simply flown out. Or at least that's what I thought. I still dont like how Muslim countries, specificly whabbist one's, treat women. >>>>>Oh yeah and govshill I forgot to point out Islam is not a race. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >centre and the Binladens were simply flown out. Or at least that's what I >thought. And based on what you (incorrectly) thought, you were pissed off that these people were buying a soccer team. In England. Sounds like prejudice to me. Shill #2 -- I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) >>>>>>Oh yeah and govshill I forgot to point out Islam is not a race. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Sounds like prejudice to me. Prejudice to a last name. Yes. But since the FBI did clear there names before they flew out on September 13th and they didnt get any special treatment then I probally wouldnt care that much. > >So you’re gay? > > i'm against people being stoned ... Then why do you post like your high on reefer? > But it doesnt really matter if you call me gay I know > I'm straight and thats all that matters. Sure, sure. Starting to doubt yourslef, I can tell. You'll be dreaming about guys soon,... It's all too real. > I hope you enjoyed my little speech. A bit too defensive, I'd say. Probably thinking about a guy with a hard-on when you wrote it. > Oh yeah and govshill I forgot to point out Islam is not a race. If > Muslims were from Saudi Arabia and they were more moderate I wouldnt > mind them owning my favorite team. Its extremist Islam or wahabbisim > that I am against. Stop answering different posts in your reply to me, gay Seon. On Jul 11, 7:34 pm, Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > >So you’re gay? > > i'm against people being stoned ... I believe the quote was "i'm against people being stoned to death for practicing Witchcraft as well" >Then why do you post like your high on reefer? > But it doesnt really matter if you call me gay I know > I'm straight and thats all that matters. >Sure, sure. Starting to doubt yourslef, I can tell. You'll be dreaming >about guys soon,... It's all too real. Only for you baby. > I hope you enjoyed my little speech. >A bit too defensive, I'd say. Probably thinking about a guy with a >hard-on when you wrote it. Only for you. > Oh yeah and govshill I forgot to point out Islam is not a race. If > Muslims were from Saudi Arabia and they were more moderate I wouldnt > mind them owning my favorite team. Its extremist Islam or wahabbisim > that I am against. >Stop answering different posts in your reply to me, gay Seon. Lol for you I'll be anything. > On Jul 11, 7:34 pm, Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > i'm against people being stoned ... > >Then why do you post like your high on reefer? > > But it doesnt really matter if you call me gay I know > > I'm straight and thats all that matters. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Lol for you I'll be anything. Then be "gone," sweetie. On Jul 12, 6:43 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > i'm against people being stoned ... > >Then why do you post like your high on reefer? > > But it doesnt really matter if you call me gay I know > > I'm straight and thats all that matters. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Lol for you I'll be anything. >Then be "gone," sweetie. Lol sorry hon I'll be anything but that. I'm here so get used to it. > On Jul 12, 6:43 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Lol sorry hon I'll be anything but that. I'm here so get used to it. So you are an admitted liar? OK. On Jul 12, 9:19 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Lol sorry hon I'll be anything but that. I'm here so get used to it. >So you are an admitted liar? OK. Lol whatever you say dear. >> Bin Ladens to buy Newcastle United? >>From the rumour mills..... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > canceled. > I'd be pissed as well. It would have been okay, if Wrongway Corrigan was the Pilot. > >Bin Ladens to buy Newcastle United? > >From the rumour mills..... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Well Bush did fly the Binladens out after 911 when all flights were > canceled. Really? Got a cite for that? > I'd be pissed as well. You're too ignorant to be pissed. >> >Bin Ladens to buy Newcastle United? >> >From the rumour mills..... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Really? Got a cite for that? I'd have thought he was too busy to be flying anyone anywhere. Shill #2 -- I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) >Really? Got a cite for that? http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/200828512758358 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34405 I was wrong it was the FBI who allowed them to fly out. >> I'd be pissed as well. > >You're too ignorant to be pissed. They are 2 kinds of ignorant people. Those who admit to there ignorance and those who pretend they arent. I admit I am ignorant so which one are you? > >Really? Got a cite for that? > > http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtmlhttp://www .cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtmlhttp://news.sky.com/skyn ews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20082851275...http://www.worldnetdaily.com/new s/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34405 > > I was wrong it was the FBI who allowed them to fly out. And....... It was not durng the period when all flights were banned..... You forgot that part. > >> I'd be pissed as well. > > >You're too ignorant to be pissed. > > They are 2 kinds of ignorant people. Those who admit to there... "there!" BWAHAHAAHAAA!!!! > ... ignorance and those who pretend they arent. I admit I am ignorant so > which one are you? Yo, stupid, I am NEITHER!! Knowing what I talk about is a huge advantage. >It was not durng the period when all flights were banned..... > >You forgot that part. I guess Michael Moore decieved me yet again. >> >> I'd be pissed as well. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >"there!" BWAHAHAAHAAA!!!! They're? Its not their. their: thats their object >> ... ignorance and those who pretend they arent. I admit I am ignorant so >> which one are you? > >Yo, stupid, I am NEITHER!! Knowing what I talk about is a huge >advantage. And you know why were here? the nature of life, the universe and everything? in that catagory most of us are ignorant and if we think we know the answers we probally dont. As for knowing what I talk about I'm trying to change my way's. > >It was not durng the period when all flights were banned..... > > >You forgot that part. > > I guess Michael Moore decieved me yet again. Moore didn't say the flights occurred when airspace was closed. Learn to comprehend. > >> >> I'd be pissed as well. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > They're? > Its not their. their: thats their object HOLYCRAP!! "Those who admit to that there ignorance!" "Those who admit to they are ignorance!" According to you, those are the two choices! BWAHAAAHAAHA!! Which one did you mean? You eliminated the only correct one, even after having to think about it! BWAHAHAHHAAA!!!! Now you know why I want you to STFU about stuff in my country. > >> ... ignorance and those who pretend they arent. I admit I am ignorant so > >> which one are you? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > we know the answers we probally dont. > As for knowing what I talk about I'm trying to change my way's. Not too successfully eh? On Jul 11, 7:44 pm, Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:55:27 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I guess Michael Moore decieved me yet again. Moore didn't say the flights occurred when airspace was closed. Learn to comprehend. > >> >> I'd be pissed as well. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > They're? > Its not their. their: thats their object HOLYCRAP!! "Those who admit to that there ignorance!" "Those who admit to they are ignorance!" According to you, those are the two choices! BWAHAAAHAAHA!! Which one did you mean? You eliminated the only correct one, even after having to think about it! BWAHAHAHHAAA!!!! Now you know why I want you to STFU about stuff in my country. > >> ... ignorance and those who pretend they arent. I admit I am ignorant > >> so [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > we know the answers we probally dont. > As for knowing what I talk about I'm trying to change my way's. >Not too successfully eh? No but you have a point i wasnt thinking. On Jul 11, 7:44 pm, Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:55:27 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I guess Michael Moore decieved me yet again. >Moore didn't say the flights occurred when airspace was closed. Learn >to comprehend. So what was his beef? If the FBI flew the Binladen family out when people were allowed to fly again who cares? As govshill says the FBi investigated the Binladens. I guess maybe my opinion of Bush has been changed by bias doccumentaries. I cant think of a single unbiased one I have seen. |
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