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G=EMC^2 Glazier - 05 Jul 2008 12:49 GMT
I'm out on my back porch when using my webtv.  Florida has lots of
crawling bugs. Have some tiny black spiders,and I try to swat them,and
they run like hell. Did they see me reach for my fly swatter?  Do they
feel my looking at them?  They know where to run so I can't hit them.
Why am I posting this? Answer is I looked at this tiny black spider and
did not move but thought this. "I'm going to kill you",and it ran like
hell under my printer.  Go figure Bert
Charles D. Bohne - 05 Jul 2008 14:14 GMT
>I'm out on my back porch when using my webtv.  Florida has lots of
>crawling bugs. Have some tiny black spiders,and I try to swat them,and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>did not move but thought this. "I'm going to kill you",and it ran like
>hell under my printer.  Go figure Bert

YES, I do have a lot of experience with wasps and bees in that matter:
once you are kind to one of them the rest of the swarm won't sting
you.
Painius - 05 Jul 2008 14:36 GMT
>> I'm out on my back porch when using my webtv.  Florida has lots of
>> crawling bugs. Have some tiny black spiders,and I try to swat them,and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> once you are kind to one of them the rest of the swarm won't sting
> you.

I, too, have had similar experiences with ants and
other bugs.  Did a little research (seems like hundreds
of years ago) and found that some people explain this
by saying that animals and bugs can see auras.  When
you show fear or feel anger (like you're going to kill it),
the animal or bug sees your aura's color change and
takes evasive action.

I've believed for some time now that this might have
more to do with sense of smell rather than an invisible
aura that might be visible to animals.  Most animals
have a powerful sense for odors, and we exude many
different aromatic chemicals for different emotions.

And an act of kindness can bring pretty unbelievable
results on occasion, to be sure!

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Charles D. Bohne - 05 Jul 2008 15:16 GMT
>I, too, have had similar experiences with ants and
>other bugs.  Did a little research (seems like hundreds
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>the animal or bug sees your aura's color change and
>takes evasive action.

I'd rather believe in some kind of telepathy instead of "auras"
:-)
But you always surprise me with your sensitivity...

>I've believed for some time now that this might have
>more to do with sense of smell rather than an invisible
>aura that might be visible to animals.  Most animals
>have a powerful sense for odors, and we exude many
>different aromatic chemicals for different emotions.

This makes a good "scientific" explanation, nevertheless,
there are more things between heaven and Earth...  ;>

>And an act of kindness can bring pretty unbelievable
>results on occasion, to be sure!

Yes, it does!
I have a lot of experience with "rescuing" animals from
my pool .. and it appears they show some sort of "thankfulness"..
C.
Painius - 05 Jul 2008 16:11 GMT
>> I, too, have had similar experiences with ants and
>> other bugs.  Did a little research (seems like hundreds
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> :-)
> But you always surprise me with your sensitivity...

Thank you, C!  It feels good to know there is still some
"mystery", that i still have some "surprises" left in me.

>> I've believed for some time now that this might have
>> more to do with sense of smell rather than an invisible
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> This makes a good "scientific" explanation, nevertheless,
> there are more things between heaven and Earth...  ;>

Not being a true "scientist", i rather look for the logic
in any puzzle.  One cannot deny your statement about
"more things between heaven and Earth", because when
logic escapes a situation, then the puzzle can take on
metaphysical proportion.

I try to be very careful when that happens.  Metaphysics
for me is a tool i use to keep my mind open to new paths
of logic and understanding.  However, metaphysics often
leads to more darkness than light.

<g> Just look at the state of "mainstream" cosmology
today!

>> And an act of kindness can bring pretty unbelievable
>> results on occasion, to be sure!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> my pool .. and it appears they show some sort of "thankfulness"..
> C.

Gratitude is primal.  People would do well to remember
that.

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Charles D. Bohne - 05 Jul 2008 16:44 GMT
>Thank you, C!  It feels good to know there is still some
>"mystery", that i still have some "surprises" left in me.

Well, I mean it!

>> This makes a good "scientific" explanation, nevertheless,
>> there are more things between heaven and Earth...  ;>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>logic escapes a situation, then the puzzle can take on
>metaphysical proportion.

As long as science is just about measurement and quantities
it lacks a deeper understanding for QUALITAS (properties,
qualities, attributes). There is no mysticism in saying that
science cannot explain my or your perceptual experience
when we talk about colors, music, odors etc. love.
How does BLUE look to you?

>I try to be very careful when that happens.  Metaphysics
>for me is a tool i use to keep my mind open to new paths
>of logic and understanding.  However, metaphysics often
>leads to more darkness than light.

You have to include BOTH sides in your concept of reality.

><g> Just look at the state of "mainstream" cosmology
>today!

Yes, very fanciful ... ;-)

>> ... show some sort of "thankfulness"..
>
>Gratitude is primal.  People would do well to remember
>that.

Gratitude ;-) yes, thanks ... (Hagar will love to take the advantage
of teaching me English ;-)

>happy days and...
>   starry starry nights!

likewise!
C.
Painius - 06 Jul 2008 05:01 GMT
> As long as science is just about measurement and quantities
> it lacks a deeper understanding for QUALITAS (properties,
> qualities, attributes). There is no mysticism in saying that
> science cannot explain my or your perceptual experience
> when we talk about colors, music, odors etc. love.
> How does BLUE look to you?

Excellent question. To me, "BLUE" means several
different shades/hues that range from a light sky
blue to dark "Navy" blue.  It's a great question,
though, because i've had some experience with a
person who was blind from birth.  Imagine trying
to adequately describe BLUE, RED, etc. to anyone
who has never experienced light, let alone color.

It's an associative scheme that is far more akin to
art than to science. Yet, still, a scientific approach,
while it often leads to a bad taste in one's mouth
(e.g., the "dissection" of poetry, music, etc.), it
does sometimes result in a deeper understanding
of reality.

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Charles D. Bohne - 06 Jul 2008 14:14 GMT
>> How does BLUE look to you?

>Excellent question. To me, "BLUE" means several
>different shades/hues that range from a light sky
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>to adequately describe BLUE, RED, etc. to anyone
>who has never experienced light, let alone color.

Nobody would know the difference if your BLUE
would trigger in my brain the impression you reserve
for GREEN (or any other shade of color) and not
even if it'd appear to me like SOUR to you. What we
compare are simply NAMES (monikers) for the same
physical reality - not the "quality".

>It's an associative scheme that is far more akin to
>art than to science. Yet, still, a scientific approach,
>while it often leads to a bad taste in one's mouth
>(e.g., the "dissection" of poetry, music, etc.), it
>does sometimes result in a deeper understanding
>of reality.

Complete understanding of science has to imply
QUALITAS , too :-)

C.
Hagar - 06 Jul 2008 15:21 GMT
>>> How does BLUE look to you?
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> C.

Stuff your "Qualitas", Chuckweasel ... the correct word is "properties".  I
understand that you want the world to know that you have a repertoire of
Latin, a language long since defunct, but a scant knowledge of it still
gives bragging rights to some elitist nutjobs in Yurp.
Charles D. Bohne - 06 Jul 2008 15:54 GMT
>Stuff your "Qualitas", Chuckweasel ... the correct word is "properties".  I
>understand that you want the world to know that you have a repertoire of
>Latin, a language long since defunct, but a scant knowledge of it still
>gives bragging rights to some elitist nutjobs in Yurp.

104 cm, 80 kg, 200 mol/l are "properties", too.

Slickness, "Heavyness" (not weight!), and scent are "Qualities".
HTH.
C.
Hagar - 07 Jul 2008 01:57 GMT
>>Stuff your "Qualitas", Chuckweasel ... the correct word is "properties".
>>I
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> HTH.
> C.

Only in your head, dufus.
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 06 Jul 2008 18:20 GMT
HiC  Humankinds brain patterns are so very much the same. Good reASON
FOR THAT IS photon vibrations can be made to make electron up down
vibrations the same frequency. Our brains all with the same structure IT
pick this up  as just one big antenna. Our brains relate(all the same).
We are indeed relative to each other. Nature made this reality so when
humankind show her the universe that she created it is a unified
sighting   Bert
Charles D. Bohne - 06 Jul 2008 19:06 GMT
>HiC  Humankinds brain patterns are so very much the same.

Hi Bert, there is no way to deduce what MY MIND "sees"
from what YOURS see.

C.
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 06 Jul 2008 20:40 GMT
HiC  Yes there is. It even shows we relate to each other in just about
every level. Not just our flat feet  Bert
Painius - 06 Jul 2008 22:01 GMT
>> HiC  Humankinds brain patterns are so very much the same.
>
> Hi Bert, there is no way to deduce what MY MIND "sees"
> from what YOURS see.
>
> C.

To quote one of the more interesting people i know...

". . .
     nevertheless,
           there
                 are
                       more
                             things
                                   between
                                         heaven and Earth...  ;>"

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Charles D. Bohne - 07 Jul 2008 01:20 GMT
>To quote one of the more interesting people i know...

So you knew William Shakespeare?
C.
Painius - 07 Jul 2008 11:05 GMT
>> To quote one of the more interesting people i know...
>
> So you knew William Shakespeare?
> C.

All of them!

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Charles D. Bohne - 07 Jul 2008 11:07 GMT
>> So you knew William Shakespeare?
>> C.
>
>All of them!

I see, you are in the KNOW :-))
C.
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 06 Jul 2008 14:25 GMT
Painius  Reality is humans see colors mostly alike. Flowers have colors
not for humans but for bugs. Flowers give off a nice perfume(odor) not
for us but for bugs. Feynman proved ants go with their nose.  I proved
that a cockroach could tell time,and never can we  sneak up on them.
They are always aware of us.   Bert
Charles D. Bohne - 06 Jul 2008 15:25 GMT
>Painius  Reality is humans see colors mostly alike.

Bert, how would anyone know "WHAT" I see, xcept me?
X
Painius - 06 Jul 2008 16:33 GMT
>> Painius  Reality is humans see colors mostly alike.
>
> Bert, how would anyone know "WHAT" I see, xcept me?
> X

Through testing, surveys, polls, etc., C.  A direct test
might be like the one i took when i joined the military
long ago.  Since i was slated to go into the electronics
field, a color-blindness test was administered.

If you allow yourself to be tested, and you accurately
describe what you see, feel, etc. the results can be
added to the data of other tests, and generalizations
can be deduced. So even if you're not actually tested,
these generalizations can apply to you along with, oh,
thousands or millions of other people.

It's a principle relied upon by insurance companies,
advertising and marketing agencies, etc.  It works,
and i would hazard a guess that it sometimes even
works on you.  If you've ever, say, been turned down
for a loan, then it was because your "profile" did not
fall within certain set limits deduced by testing a
sample of past loan recipients and their behaviour.

It's granted that, on an individual basis, such things
as these generalizations sometimes break down and
don't apply.  But the error caused by this is so small
on a large sample of the population that it can be
dismissed.

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Charles D. Bohne - 06 Jul 2008 18:40 GMT
>> Bert, how would anyone know "WHAT" I see, xcept me?
>> X
>
>Through testing, surveys, polls, etc., C.

What kind of "test" could look inside my head?
C.
Painius - 06 Jul 2008 22:07 GMT
>> Through testing, surveys, polls, etc., C.
>
> What kind of "test" could look inside my head?
> C.

The same kind of test you administered to me when
you asked how i perceived the color BLUE.

In a way, C, everytime you post, you let the world
inside your head.  We all must love this or we would
not continue to post.

Posters to UseNet all have one thing in common...

      We all have a penchant for the bizarre!

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Charles D. Bohne - 07 Jul 2008 01:33 GMT
>> What kind of "test" could look inside my head?
>> C.
>
>The same kind of test you administered to me when
>you asked how i perceived the color BLUE.

Ok, I'll give it another try (even though I think that YOU
understood my point already) for clarity:

Even when we SAY that we perceive a quality in a special way,
answering to a normalized physical stimulus, there is NO WAY to
make sure any other mind has/had the SAME perception. Your
colors and all other sensations exist only in YOUR MIND.
I am well aware that there have been experiments to "measure"
e.g. "Hunger" in laboratory animals by the days they were not
fed and the pull against some device that stopped them from
eating ... but this won't give a clue how the individuals feeling
of "hunger" was represented in their minds.
Same goes for "Love" and "Hate" :->
C.
Painius - 07 Jul 2008 11:43 GMT
>> "Charles D. Bohne" <me@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote...
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Same goes for "Love" and "Hate" :->
> C.

If you're talking about an *exact* representation, then
you are correct.  Neurons behave in much the same way
as a few drips of warm water on Jello.  Pretty soon a
small trench is made, and this trench widens to a point
that the memory of a sensation/behaviour becomes
deeply embedded and "habitual".  And yet there is no
way one can predict or deduce precisely which neurons
will be involved nor precisely how and which way the
memory trench is engineered.

Hunger is experienced differently by different people.
It's long been established that a baby, when hungry, is
in much more excruciating pain than an adult when
feeling the pangs of hunger.  However, i still say that
generalizations can be made, and these can be fairly
accurate among large samples of people.  They can be
accurate enough to affect insurance company decisions,
buying choices, and so forth.

We do it all the time, C!  You have a good idea what's
inside my head, so you respond to my posts differently
than you respond to, say, Hagar's posts.

No man is an island.  But a brain with mind is a very
sophisticated computer, and the programming of each
of our natural mental computers is not all that much of
a mystery to science.

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Charles D. Bohne - 07 Jul 2008 16:27 GMT
> However, i still say that
>generalizations can be made, and these can be fairly
>accurate among large samples of people.

"Qualities", [the way we apply the word], are not properties of a
given object or issue.
They are "attributes" that a mind connects with them, be it from
experience, by definition, or built (= it's very nature ;-).

There are NO COLORS in the world around us ..;
in the physical word we find simply a mix of different frequencies of
light waves.

But in our MIND'S EYES we "SEE" red, green, yellow, orange, blue
and indigo and a lot of shades and mixtures :-)

Do you accept?
C.
Painius - 08 Jul 2008 11:32 GMT
>> However, i still say that
>> generalizations can be made, and these can be fairly
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Do you accept?
> C.

Partly, yes, however there *are* colors in the world,
elsewise our "mind's eye" would not be able to "see"
them.  Chlorophyll, for example, reflects specific
wavelengths of light that the vast majority of people
see as "green" in various hues.  Same for blood, only
now the reflected color is "red".  Even stars emit
electromagnetic radiation at different wavelengths.
Our Sun comes out "yellow", Betelguese is "red", not
to mention the many wavelengths emitted that are in
the spectrum outside our visual range of wavelengths.
We must sense these, infrared, x rays, etc., with our
instruments, which are nothing more than extensions
of our eyes.  Like hammers are extensions of our
hands.

So you see, C, whether we call them "colors" or we
refer to them as "wavelengths" or "frequencies", they
are still perceived by people in much the same way.
To say they don't exist is tantamount to denying your
perceptions.  There are healthier ways to use your
time!

Back in "the day", i once had to replace an entire
wiring harness in a piece of navigational equipment i
maintained for Keesler AFB in Biloxi.  I would have
had a terrible time getting it correct if there was no
such thing as "color".  The wires were all different
colors and each wire went to a different place.  As
much fun as it was, it would have been unthinkably
fun if all the wires had looked the same.

The problem isn't that there isn't color in the world.
The problem is that people associate colors with
their emotions:  Red=anger, hate -- Green=envy --
Black=evil -- White=good -- Brown=disease --
Blue=spirit -- Gray=weakness, Violet/Purple=love,
emotion, and so on.  Some times i think there's
*too* much color in the world, if such a thing is
possible.

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Charles D. Bohne - 08 Jul 2008 21:32 GMT
>Partly, yes, however there *are* colors in the world,
>elsewise our "mind's eye" would not be able to "see"
>them.

I'd love to finish this argument as it won't get us anywhere :-)

Just two annotations: 1. There are no colors outside of a "Mind".

2. Frequencies do not stand for colors in real life (paints and dye
stuff), because the colors we see are a mix of many frequencies
and obey to a lot of other factors like: texture oft the object, hue
and contrast and even the mood we're in :-)

C.
Painius - 08 Jul 2008 22:37 GMT
>> Partly, yes, however there *are* colors in the world,
>> elsewise our "mind's eye" would not be able to "see"
>> them.
>
> I'd love to finish this argument as it won't get us anywhere :-)

When this happens, it generally means that either we're
both wrong, or we're both right.

> Just two annotations: 1. There are no colors outside of a "Mind".
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> C.

Hence that old thought about seeing life through "rose-
tinted" glasses.

I have some beautiful Princess Di's that are blooming
like crazy.  Everybody thinks "rose" automatically means
"red".  Not an ounce of red in my Princess Di's.  And yet,
they're unbeLIEVably gorgeous!

If there are no colors outside of mind, then how *do* you
explain that almost everyone sees such a grand, sparkling
Sirius when it hangs low in the sky?

Or the long tresses worn by a stone-cold fox of a blond?

Or the soft, spectacular blue/green/brown/etc. of a baby's
eyes?

I have blue eyes, C.  Everyone i've ever met in my entire
life of nearly 60 years has seen my eyes as the color blue.
And i'd wager my left nut that you would see my eyes as
blue, too.

<holding scrotum>

C?  You're not color-blind, are you?

</holding scrotum>

<g>

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Charles D. Bohne - 08 Jul 2008 23:19 GMT
>> I'd love to finish this argument as it won't get us anywhere :-)
>
>When this happens, it generally means that either we're
>both wrong, or we're both right.

I would say, you are right :-)

>Hence that old thought about seeing life through "rose-
>tinted" glasses.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>"red".  Not an ounce of red in my Princess Di's.  And yet,
>they're unbeLIEVably gorgeous!

I do love roses, no matter what color they are :-)

>If there are no colors outside of mind, then how *do* you
>explain that almost everyone sees such a grand, sparkling
>Sirius when it hangs low in the sky?

.... ?, I DO HAVE A MIND ;->

>Or the long tresses worn by a stone-cold fox of a blond?
>
>Or the soft, spectacular blue/green/brown/etc. of a baby's
>eyes?

Interesting examples that came up with... :->

>I have blue eyes, C.  Everyone i've ever met in my entire
>life of nearly 60 years has seen my eyes as the color blue.
>And i'd wager my left nut that you would see my eyes as
>blue, too.

If I would see that magic color as "octarin" we would not know
any difference, because both of us would call it "BLUE".

><holding scrotum>
>C?  You're not color-blind, are you?
></holding scrotum>

Oh yes I am, but I don't kick like a mule :->

><g>
>
>bg>

>happy days and...
>   starry starry nights!

Starry days and happy nights!
C.
Saul Levy - 08 Jul 2008 01:48 GMT
A brain excision?

Saul Levy

>>> Bert, how would anyone know "WHAT" I see, xcept me?
>>> X
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>What kind of "test" could look inside my head?
>C.
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 06 Jul 2008 18:55 GMT
Painius  The true reality is and its tricky. We don't see with our eyes
we see with our computer brains. Every thing comes to our brain is in a
picture that is upside down. No pro0blem to your brain Painius i9t turns
it level with the Earth's surface. Still Painius i would like to take
you when I was a kid to the Revere Beach amusement park's fun house. It
tilted reality so much it made every one dizzy. A boy next to his father
appeared taller. etc    We see alike  We think alike Because our brains
are alike.  Like every rule Cactus Saul is the exception  Go figure Bert
Charles D. Bohne - 06 Jul 2008 19:15 GMT
> We see alike  We think alike Because our brains
>are alike.

If you WERE right, telepathy would be our natural way of
communication.
C.
Painius - 06 Jul 2008 22:18 GMT
>> We see alike  We think alike Because our brains
>> are alike.
>
> If you WERE right, telepathy would be our natural way of
> communication.
> C.

Who's to say it isn't?

A mother feels queezy at the precise instant her son
is involved in a terrible accident.  A twin, separated
from her twin far away, can still sense when her twin
is hurt.

The human dilemma isn't that telepathy is unnatural.
Our dilemma is that we have evolved into unnatural
beings.  We are too far from Nature to notice usually
when telepathy happens.

And "belief" is a major component of this, as well.
This is why i always tell people to trust themselves,
to trust their "instincts".  You know more than you
think you do.

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BradGuth - 06 Jul 2008 22:35 GMT
> >> We see alike  We think alike Because our brains
> >> are alike.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> to trust their "instincts".  You know more than you
> think you do.

That sounds like nasty witch stuff, and otherwise worthy of book-
burnings.  I mean, allowing folks to deductively trust their own
instincts could lead to world peace, and we can't have any of that
without eliminating the warm and fuzzy likes of ENRON, ExxonMobil plus
our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) and oil/blood-sucking company of
brown-nosed minions.

-    Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 06 Jul 2008 23:48 GMT
Painius Best we not forget I have my positron twin Treb. Bert
Charles D. Bohne - 07 Jul 2008 01:35 GMT
>> If you WERE right, telepathy would be our natural way of
>> communication.
>> C.
>
>Who's to say it isn't?

Ok, I don't :->
C.
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 06 Jul 2008 18:39 GMT
Painius  Using test paterns of shades. If you only see reflected stuff
and can't make out the colors like the rest of us your eyes are not
picking up wave frequency on the money  Bert
Saul Levy - 08 Jul 2008 01:42 GMT
Maybe we'd rather NOT KNOW, Chu'k!  lmao!

Saul Levy

>>Painius  Reality is humans see colors mostly alike.
>
>Bert, how would anyone know "WHAT" I see, xcept me?
>X
Saul Levy - 07 Jul 2008 06:49 GMT
I guess you don't read any psychology, Chu'k?  lmao!

Yeah, I know it's all BULLSHIT, but it would answer many of your
questions.

Saul Levy

>>Thank you, C!  It feels good to know there is still some
>>"mystery", that i still have some "surprises" left in me.
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>likewise!
>C.
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 07 Jul 2008 13:08 GMT
Cactus saul  We are taught to think the same way. Thinking the same we
can say we are normal.  Ask a person to name a flower its "rose" color
its "red" furniture its "chair" etc            Love and hate are
emotions instilled in us as children  After 8 its to late   20  20
vision and hearing show how alike we really are.All feel pain and yet
some can take pain more than others           I hate the taste of
chinese mustard.(hot stuff)   Humans can differ but 99% of their
thinking is inside the box. Bert
Saul Levy - 07 Jul 2008 06:43 GMT
I can understand that you have such a SIMPLE MIND, Chu'k.  I'm sure
you're right about insects reading yours.  lmao!

Saul Levy

>>I'm out on my back porch when using my webtv.  Florida has lots of
>>crawling bugs. Have some tiny black spiders,and I try to swat them,and
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>once you are kind to one of them the rest of the swarm won't sting
>you.
Charles D. Bohne - 07 Jul 2008 10:42 GMT
>I can understand that you have such a SIMPLE MIND, Chu'k.  I'm sure
>you're right about insects reading yours.  lmao!
>
>Saul Levy

Why do so many, otherwise sensible, men act as complete a.sholes when
set free to UseNet?
Just me, wondering.
C.
Hagar - 07 Jul 2008 15:05 GMT
>>I can understand that you have such a SIMPLE MIND, Chu'k.  I'm sure
>>you're right about insects reading yours.  lmao!
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> Just me, wondering.
> C.

You just answered your own question, Chuckie.
Stop acting like an a.shole and people will respond in kind.
Charles D. Bohne - 07 Jul 2008 16:33 GMT
>Stop acting like an a.shole and people will respond in kind.

"PEOPLE" do respond "in kind" to me. I came to terms with many of
those who hated me (for different reasons) "at first sight"; Carl
Osterwald among them. So try your own recipe, and find out!
C.
Hagar - 07 Jul 2008 18:55 GMT
>>Stop acting like an a.shole and people will respond in kind.
>
> "PEOPLE" do respond "in kind" to me. I came to terms with many of
> those who hated me (for different reasons) "at first sight"; Carl
> Osterwald among them. So try your own recipe, and find out!
> C.

Carl Osterwald, aka Art Deco merely ignores you.
In all likelihood you are a permanent resident in his kill file.
Saul Levy - 08 Jul 2008 06:49 GMT
Aw, Chu'k, nice try, but an a.shole is always an a.shole!  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>>Stop acting like an a.shole and people will respond in kind.
>
> "PEOPLE" do respond "in kind" to me. I came to terms with many of
>those who hated me (for different reasons) "at first sight"; Carl
>Osterwald among them. So try your own recipe, and find out!
>C.
Charles D. Bohne - 08 Jul 2008 12:55 GMT
>Aw, Chu'k, nice try, but an a.shole is always an a.shole!  lmfjao!
>
>Saul Levy

*P*L*O*N*K
Saul Levy - 08 Jul 2008 19:14 GMT
Thanks for proving me right yet again, Chu'k!  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>>Aw, Chu'k, nice try, but an a.shole is always an a.shole!  lmfjao!
>>
>>Saul Levy
>
> *P*L*O*N*K
Jeff▲Relf - 07 Jul 2008 18:27 GMT
Saul Levy treats himself no better than he treats us, I'm sure.
As for who is or isn't an “ idiot ” ..

A. Most victories ( real or imagined ) can't be made pubic,
  not even to our “ friends ” here on UseNet.

B. We're all innocent, no one knows enough to make good decisions.
  Our sole salvation is this: To blindly, randomly, pop out babies.
 
C. Society “ evicts ” those who fall out of favor,
  placing them on the streets ( or worse ),
  with the words “ Bad Credit ” indelibly tattooed on their foreheads.
Charles D. Bohne - 07 Jul 2008 20:55 GMT
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:27:35 +0000 (UTC), Jeff?Relf
<Jeff_Relf@0.Invalid> wrote:

>Saul Levy treats himself no better than he treats us, I'm sure.

He and "Hagar" appear to be twins in the spirit ...
C.
Saul Levy - 08 Jul 2008 06:55 GMT
f.ck OFF, GOATHUMPER Chu'k!  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:27:35 +0000 (UTC), Jeff?Relf
><Jeff_Relf@0.Invalid> wrote:
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>He and "Hagar" appear to be twins in the spirit ...
>C.
Hagar - 08 Jul 2008 14:47 GMT
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:27:35 +0000 (UTC), Jeff?Relf
> <Jeff_Relf@0.Invalid> wrote:
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> He and "Hagar" appear to be twins in the spirit ...
> C.

Yes Chuckiebutt, insect can read your mind ... would be the equivalent of a
normal person reading a postage stamp ..
Saul Levy - 08 Jul 2008 06:53 GMT
f.ck OFF, WACKO Jeff!  lmao!

Just look at what you posted below and tell me you aren't an IDIOT!

Saul Levy

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:27:35 +0000 (UTC), Jeff?Relf
<Jeff_Relf@0.Invalid> wrote:

>Saul Levy treats himself no better than he treats us, I'm sure.
>As for who is or isn't an “ idiot ” ..
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>   placing them on the streets ( or worse ),
>   with the words “ Bad Credit ” indelibly tattooed on their foreheads.
Saul Levy - 08 Jul 2008 02:01 GMT
Pay attention to those insects, Chu'k!  lmao!

Saul Levy

>>I can understand that you have such a SIMPLE MIND, Chu'k.  I'm sure
>>you're right about insects reading yours.  lmao!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Just me, wondering.
>C.
BradGuth - 06 Jul 2008 19:20 GMT
> I'm out on my back porch when using my webtv.  Florida has lots of
> crawling bugs. Have some tiny black spiders,and I try to swat them,and
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> did not move but thought this. "I'm going to kill you",and it ran like
> hell under my printer.  Go figure Bert

BTW, is there anyone else giving your silly topics "gold stars",
except me?

Perhaps bugs simply know when best to run like hell, especially when
there's a beer brain within their public funded section-8 abode.

Most bugs are countless millions of years if not a good billion years
more evolved than us humans, and thus a whole lot better off at
survival than us.  Too bad we humans have become so survival deficient
and manic bipolar to boot, not to mention afraid of our own shadow, as
well as faith-based and/or politically racist as all get out.
Obviously consuming mass quantities of beer does not fix this
evolutionary deficiency or process of reverse evolutionary mutation of
our becoming dumb and dumber by the hour.

-    Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 06 Jul 2008 20:47 GMT
Brad what is BTW ?   Who needs 5 stars? In school I never got even one
gold star. Go figure  bert
Jeff▲Relf - 06 Jul 2008 21:47 GMT
IMHO, “ BTW ” means: “ by the way ”.
www.Google.COM/search?q=define:BTW
BTW, “ IMHO ” means: “ in my humble opinion ”.
BradGuth - 06 Jul 2008 22:16 GMT
> Brad what is BTW ?   Who needs 5 stars? In school I never got even one
> gold star. Go figure  bert

By The Way(BTW), one gold star is at least somewhat better than no
gold star.

You can give your local Mafia government and their Mafia federal
puppeteers (many of them being Zionist/Nazis) all 5 gold stars, mostly
because they have such beer saturated village idiots like Bert fully
snookered and dumbfounded past the Section-8 point of no return, and
obviously then some.

That warm and fuzzy feeling between your butt-cheeks isn't coming from
within, is it.

-    Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
 
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