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(rev 1.0.2) America Is Freeing Iraq - not "occupying" it (encl. {HRI     20060702-V3.4} 'REFUSING to Invade Iraq, Constitutes Severe Crimes against     Humanity')

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Koos Nolst Trenite - 03 Jul 2008 06:48 GMT
America Is Freeing Iraq - not "occupying" it.

     But Criminal Minds - such as the ones I have pointed out to you,
     both here and by Islamic Fatwa (*) - Criminal Minds

     have everything in reverse. So THEY shout, that "America is
     'occupying Iraq'," and not freeing it.

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The truth that everyone can see, and has indeed seen, is not a matter
of opinion, nor propaganda, but is the simple fact:

America is freeing Iraq - not "occupying" it.

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The following conclusion is inevitable as well, to anybody with a
normal (not sick or 'al-Sadric' or otherwise Criminal, but a normal)
mind.

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REFUSING to Invade Iraq, Constitutes Severe Crimes against Humanity,
by the Sociopaths Putin, Schroeder, Chirac, Jiang Zemin, Zapatero,
etc.

                                                        2 July 2006
                                                 {HRI 20060702-V3.4}

                                                       (Version 3.4
                                                     on 3 July 2008)

                                                       (Attachments
                                                         are posted
                                                         separately)

                                              (Suitable for foreign
                                                  language students)

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What I did read below, TO ME sounds like a very clear and massive
indictment against (it is an official accusation of) those who could

     and who were asked to - but who REFUSED TO -

END THE EVIL. (See Attachments 1. and 2.)

'

It is an official and formal accusation of those who were, instead,
ridiculing and calling those "evil," who were and are handling evil,

     and calling those - calling you and me that is -

    "evil" FOR handling the evil;

           yes, they are so calling those,

           who are willing to, and who at times did, give their life
           in order to stop the evil for us.

                 The soldiers there, like in World War II, give their
                 life for our security, which is the consequence of
                 their choice to serve and protect us,

                 much as it is my choice too, to protect you from
                 those who inflict evil on you and your friends,
                 on a global scale, by exposing and making the evil
                 understood and recognizable to you

                 - the first and main and often sufficient condition
                   for remedying and preventing it.

                 To then ACCUSE me (or the soldiers) of exposing
                 themselves to mortal danger, is the typical Insanity
                 we hear or read daily from those WHO DO NOT WANT
                 EVIL STOPPED, but who want it to be hidden, and
                 Criminal Minds not recognized.

                       Thus the Associated Press (of America) with
                       its CEO Tom Curley, holds a daily tally NOT
                       of soldiers' achievements, but of their
                       deaths.

                             If I would complain of the mortal
                             attacks on me or my body, then some
                             people would "advise" me: 'Well,
                             why don't you just stop caring for
                             people? It's your own fault, that you
                             get attacked...'

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How insane have you been made by Criminal Minds and by their parrots

          (their parrots, sometimes Associated Parrots, like
           journalists who are relaying to you, what Criminal Minds
           want you to hear, but who fail at the same time to report
           the truth)?

     Very, very insane - utterly insane indeed - well, not you and I
     of course, but others have been made, and are being made insane.
     *(3)

This is done to others by Criminal Minds - these have everything in
reverse.

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     Criminal Minds have everything in reverse. (I just repeat it
     so that, at some time, others are likely to notice it.)

           They want you to see Evil as "normal."

           And you must be made to "see" (to feel, to sense) Good as
           being "very, very bad."

           They blame those who do Good, as "doing the evil," and

           those who do the Evil, you are invited to treat as if
           THOSE are "normal," "right," "lawful," and "to be
           supported by you."

                 They cause you to have a stubborn grin, of
                 "how right and strong of you it is," to not
                 see Criminal Minds as these are, but to treat
                 these as if they are "normal," and "to be taken
                 as friends,"

                 AND, that "those who DO see Criminals as Criminals,
                 'are evil', 'hateful,' 'destructive of life'."

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'

They, Criminal Minds, make your mind be so, that

     decent, caring people (they mean, that also you) "are evil," and
     that

     you "are causing the harm," and that you "are causing the
     murdering" (they really do like to think that) *(6)

          ("A US military vehicle which attempted to approach the
           scene of the blast, withdrew in a hail of stones thrown by
           angry residents." - Baghdad - AFP, 20060701)

     and they state that in their public speeches, in Friday Prayers
     of the Muslim community,

and they make it so, that they, the Criminals themselves,

     and of course those who refuse to stop Criminals, including
     certain heads of state who support or who allow Criminals
     their evil,

are "the good people," or are "the normal heads of state," and are
"the ones you better support, for your own good."

'

     That is, how utterly insane Criminal Minds have actually made
     you, now. (Have made others, I mean, of course, not you and me -
     WE always have a very precise viewpoint on who causes evil, and,
     on who protects us from evil - isn't it...)

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'

'

Not only did the individuals who stand now accused, like Putin,
Chirac, and the like, REFUSE to stop Evil,

     but they were also OBSTRUCTING others from handling the Evil,

           even though it was their own job as head of state,
           directly to do all they could, to assist.

           All, that some, like Putin (in Russia), Chirac (in
           France), Schroeder (in Germany) and Jiang Zemin (in China)
           and the others would have had to do, was

           to say "Yes, I agree that YOU stop the Crimes,"

                 without themselves even having to do or to pay
                 anything.

'

     But instead, they - Putin, Schroeder, Chirac, and Jiang Zemin,
     etc. - knowingly and deceptively committed those Crimes
     against Humanity, as are described in the previous paragraph.

'

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'

And I have to point it out to you, because it has been smashed and
sucked out of your awareness, by the Criminals,

     who are aided in that also by the parrots of various News
     Agencies, such as the Associated Parrots (AP) and the Agency
     of French Parrots (AFP), and the United Parrots International
     (UPI), and so on.

           That is how utterly insane the Criminal Minds have
           actually made you, now. (That means: others, of course -
           not you and me, but others have been made utterly insane
           by Criminal Minds, insane about who caused the evil, and
           about those who enjoyed the evil and who perpetuated it.)

                (Your and my awareness of that matter, of course, has
                 been always correct, and we have held that always
                 unwaveringly in our minds, isn't it - also for
                 others to see and to feel the truth - of what
                 actually happened, of what was done by whom, and of
                 the intention with which it was done.)

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'

In order to refresh my and your awareness a little bit, I did read
the Crimes again, that do form the basis of accusing those who
refused to stop the Crimes, and who, instead, deceptively condoned
and secretly encouraged these Crimes against Humanity,

which is the guilt of Putin, Chirac, Schroeder, Jiang Zemin (and now
Hu Jintao), etc.,

     THEIR GUILT SEVERELY AGGRAVATED BY THE FACT THAT IT WAS PART OF
     THEIR JOB TO BRING ABOUT GLOBAL SECURITY AND TO STOP CRIMES
     AGAINST HUMANITY,

     AND SEVERELY AGGRAVATED BY THE FACT, THAT THEY COULD VERY EASILY
     HAVE MOVED - BY MERELY APPROVING THAT OTHERS DO - TO STOP THE
     EVIL.

           Instead, they preferred to have much damage and burden
           inflicted on others, seemingly "to aid their own group or
           position or Swiss and other bank accounts."

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'

                 It is PART OF THEIR JOB, to communicate to THEIR
                 people, also and in particular to Islamic people
                 in their country, what ACTUALLY IS going on,

                       - the Internet search engine providers and
                         technical builders, like Google and Yahoo
                         and Microsoft Network and the Cisco
                         management, would certainly agree with that,
                         and also the Eutelsat satellite broadcast
                         providers would gladly assist to inform
                         people correctly, isn't that so -

                 much like people are also informed CORRECTLY about
                 a tsunami, or about the explosion of an atomic
                 reactor, or about a severe earthquake, occurring in
                 another country.

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                       And when talking to those who can only, or who
                       have to think mainly, in terms of money (in
                       terms of present and future possessions) the
                       following is obvious to them:

                             You can not make a financially even
                             vaguely sound decision, of course,

                             if half of the data, and the most
                             important data, about a situation, or
                             about a region, about a population,
                             about people or about a country

                             is and remains deliberately hidden from
                             you,

                                   particularly when presented as
                                   "not hidden" - the typical way a
                                   Criminal Mind presents "data" -

                             for instance by China's News Agency,
                             and by the Inverted or upside-down
                             "government" of China, that it,
                             'Xinhua,' stands for.

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'

It is PART OF THE JOB OF LEADERS, to communicate to THEIR people, what
ACTUALLY IS going on, so that people can and do react correctly,
reacting indeed as is their inherent nature, reacting to care for
life, to protect life and possessions.

                 Remember, however, that 'Criminal Minds have
                 everything in reverse'

                 - THEY "know," that "it is the nature of people, to
                   destroy others and to prey on others" - because
                   that is THEIR OWN nature.

                       But in fact, it is only one percent of the
                       population who is like that, and these,
                       in times of anarchy, may drag another
                       maybe twenty percent temporarily with them,

                       or when ORGANIZED (that is not anarchy, but it
                       is evil steered and organized, also called
                       "stability" by Criminals and by their parrots,
                       tightly organized evil, as in Nazi Germany or
                       in current Communist dictatorships)

                       it might rise temporarily, as still in North
                       Korea, and in the past in Germany, and at one
                       time long ago in Cuba, to above fifty percent

                       - in highly organized evil that means, as it
                         is currently maintained and organized
                         globally by the Chinese Communist Party
                         "government," and not only in their slave
                         states such as North Korea,

                             but their organized evil also includes
                             their "diplomatic" corps etc. abroad, in
                             your country and in other non-suspecting
                             countries, I mean.

'

'

                 Criminal Minds have everything in reverse, so they
                 would just laugh very hard in your face - they would
                 completely ridicule you, openly or secretly -

                 if you state, that it is PART OF THE JOB of leaders,
                 to communicate to THEIR OWN people, what ACTUALLY
                 IS going on so that people can and do react
                 correctly,

                       indeed, reacting naturally (also as Moslems)
                       to care for life,

                 which is made possible when they have correct data,
                 INCLUDING correct data about who would or will
                 hinder the help given,

                             which includes of course the exposure of
                             Criminal Minds they falsely admire or
                             admired (label all dictators plus the
                             revolutionaries who brought them to
                             power, not as "friends of 'the People'"
                             and not as "friends of the Nation," but
                             as what they are - severely destructive
                             Criminal Minds).

                       Also you know, that Criminals do hide and
                       distort and oppose that correct data,

                       and that they do foster Hate against those
                       who do help naturally and who do help with
                       great responsibility.

                             It is thus most vital, of course, to
                             know whether data is coming from the
                             Chinese News Agency Xinhua and from
                             similar, Criminal News Agencies,

                             so that you know, that what you get
                             as "correct data," is what Criminals
                             want seen and known "as true."

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'

     So that is yet another Crime against Humanity: As leaders they
     conspired to prevent their own population from being informed
     correctly, and they THUS PREVENT(ED) their OWN people from
     stopping very severe Crimes against Humanity.

                 And then they claim, that "they merely represent the
                 will of the people" - Criminal Minds ENJOY lying.

           Those are despicable Crimes, committed by the heads of
           state mentioned, Putin, Chirac, Schroeder, Jiang Zemin,
           etc., and by their respective successors who continued
           these Crimes against Humanity.

'

'

Human Rights is not a matter of papers and laws,

           although a lawyer, a judge, even a diplomat (yes, an
           occasional Minister for Immigration even) is likely to
           see it like that, inhumanely, as "people are papers," and
           such professionals are trained to "see" things through
           that distortion,

                 they are TRAINED NOT TO SEE, not to go and see whom
                 they have in front of them, or to deliberately
                 ignore it, even when they DO see whom they have in
                 front of them,

                       instead, they talk about "what is 'legal' and
                       'lawful' and 'agreed upon'"

                             - not wanting to admit, that those are
                               the very tools that Criminal Minds use

                                  (they have everything in reverse,
                                   remember - so it is 'laws' and
                                   'rules' and 'agreements,' forming
                                   a basis, an instrument,

                                         WITH THIS SIMPLE TRICK, THEY
                                         SUDDENLY HAVE HUNDREDS OF
                                         THOUSANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
                                         EMPLOYEES, AND THOUSANDS OF
                                         JUDGES, AND MILLIONS OF
                                         SOLDIERS "ON THEIR SIDE,"
                                         OR AT LEAST UNDER THEIR
                                         COMMAND,

                                   that THEY use)

                               in order to deceive and to betray
                               and to mislead people - *(4)

                       translated into German (and also into 'Swiss')
                       as "'Ordnung muss sein'," as "laws are senior
                       to people" -

                            "rules are senior to people" in Germany,
                             they can not simply face or they refuse
                             to face the PURPOSES for the rules,
                             because then they would have to stand
                             up to Criminal Minds,

                                   and to them, "laws and rules and
                                   agreements are 'THE SOLUTION' to
                                   having to face Criminal Minds,"

                                         they are (still) obsessed by
                                         'having solutions' - instead
                                         of enjoying life together
                                         which INCLUDES looking at
                                         people and facing Criminal
                                         Minds and Destructive
                                         Cowards - *(6)

                                   they are allowing, they are even
                                   encouraging

                                         - as the Criminal Mind
                                           Socrates defended his own
                                           hidden lies and his hidden
                                           cowardice, at his death,

                                           that's basically what he
                                           said in order NOT to have
                                           his own lies discovered
                                           (but which I discovered
                                           in my present life time,
                                           that)

                                           to HIDE his lies, he then
                                           claimed the very, very
                                           destructive lie, that

                                          "the laws are senior to
                                           people" -

                                   encouraging and justifying laws
                                   and rules to be used to DESTROY
                                   life and TO DENY AND OPPOSE TRUTH
                                   from being exposed and acted upon,

                       they are denying - remember, that Criminal
                       Minds have everything in reverse (they are
                       DENYING) - that those very laws and rules are
                       there in the first place FOR people, to help
                       people who should be helped, and also to deny
                       help to people who would destroy others,

                             - and that applies also to Louise
                               Arbour's Human Rights Council, etc. -

                       so, Human Rights IS NOT 'papers and laws,'

but Human Rights is about people, about individuals, as you will read
below.

           You also did not need laws and bilateral agreements in
           order to help others at Earthquakes or Tsunamis, did you.

                 You naturally help. You help, because it is your
                 FEELING, it is your nature, and so it is with all
                 normal people.

                       But also there, Criminal Minds will try to
                       divert or block your help from reaching those
                       people who need it.

                       And they will try to make you accept their
                       lies, their reversals of truth and their
                       'Buddhistic' goals to eradicate you forever,
                       "so you never have to suffer again":

                             Telling the world, that 'freeing you
                             from a torture cell in Husseins' Iraq,'
                             "is illegal," that "everybody is against
                             freeing you," and that "it is evil to
                             free you."

                       Criminal Minds, also those of Buddhism, have
                       everything in reverse.

'

           What was happening in Iraq, and what is happening now
           in China, and in some other dictatorial countries,

           is a million times worse than any natural disaster,

                 as a natural disaster lacks the intention and
                 practice of malice.

          (See Attachments 1. and 2. below)

'

'

This is about helping people,

     and thus it is about your facing THE CRIMINALITY of those who
     obstruct and who refuse to cooperate *(5)

     in handling very, very severe Crimes against very many people.

'

           The claim of the licensed medical profession of being
           "the ones that ARE helping people," is a carefully built
           fallacy (a facade, a building of lies) *(1) and you will
           find,

                 after you have shed the appropriate amount of tears
                 and have gone though various stages and outbursts of
                 amazement and utter incredulity when you look at and
                 are about to understand what you see,

           that the licensed medical profession is NOT about facing
           Criminality, at all.  *(2)

     You remove such obstructive people from any position of
     authority, and you oppose and deny their claims of being
     authoritative, as they clearly are only pretending to be so.

          (See Attachments 1. and 2. below)

'

It is your natural desire to help people, so, do so! Maybe you will
even get the idea - who knows - to help me,

'

Koos Nolst Trenite "Cause Trinity"
human rights philosopher and poet

                                          'Men of all nations came
                                     to listen to Solomon's wisdom,
                                sent by all the kings of the world,
                                       who had heard of his wisdom.'

                                                      1 Kings 4:34

_________
Footnotes:

(*)  'First International Law on Islamic countries -
     Fatwa (Islamic Decision) on some known Islamic demons:
     Saddam Hussein, Khomeini, Yasser Arafat, Khamenei,
     Bashar al-Assad, Ahmadinejad, Muqtada al-Sadr,
     Manouchehr Mottaki, Nasrallah, Haniyeh, Gaddafi,
     Omar al-Bashir, Mahathir Mohamad'
     {HRI 20070223-V3.0.1} (Version 3.0 on 4 Apr 2008)
      (23 February 2007 - Version 3.0.1 on 12 June 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.british/msg/
5560079c74f712ea
      (Version 3.0.1 was also posted as Version 3.0, on 12 June)
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.legal/msg/6d805561c184c7f8

(Footnotes updated only up to 29 June 2007)

(1)  'The Dan Brown Code - The Trillion Dollar Question'
     {HRI 20060610-V3.4}
      (10 June 2006 - Version 3.4 on 10 July 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian/msg/2721c03970946e56

(2)  'A Bottomless Money Drain: The Licensed Medical Trade - Medical
     Research, Charities, Foundations, Universities And Hospitals
     CONTEMPT Of Your Suffering And Of Mankind'
      (13 February 2006 - Version 1.0.1 on 20 Feb 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.anthropology/msg/25fb3378ca8ce9dc

(3)  'Definition Of Insane - Relation To Humor'
     {HRI 20030205-V2.3.3}
      (5 Feb 2003 - Version 2.3.3 on 13 May 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.martial-arts/msg/83cdfa7c46d584d1

(4)  'If Pilate Had Provided King Solomon's Justice...'
     {HRI 20041102-V1.3}
      (2 November 2004 - Version 1.3 on 2 Apr 2005)
http://groups.google.com/group/human-rights-issues/msg/8a0076d89f741b32
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.anthropology/msg/10e1d33aa5888fe3

(5)  'Kofi Annan, the typical "sane Criminal" - one who, to "maintain"
     a position (in the UN) protects and hides severe Criminals'
     {HRI 20060608-V1.1}
      (8 June 2006 - Version 1.1 on 9 June 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.org.un/msg/cffc79dde74820cd

(6)  'Defining 'Destructive Coward' (Definition)'
     {HRI 20050610-V3.2.2}
      (10 June 2005 - Version 3.2 on 9 Sep 2006)
       (Version 3.2 (or 3.2.2) published on 17 (or 18) May 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/4c3b304dfedd9f84
     {HRI 20050610-V3.2.2.1} (published on 18 May 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/Koos-Nolst-Trenite/msg/f6117566a8d4bd84

'

__________
References:

    'Intense Joy of Beautiful Hate - Emanating from Criminal Minds'
     {HRI 20060629-V4.1}
      (29 June 2006 - Version 4.1 on 1 Aug 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/f9acf8f938a4e5e6

    'Sports, The Game of Not Facing Evil Individuals
     - The Beijing 2008 Olympic Games Boycott'
     {HRI 20060618-V1.4}
      (18 June 2006 - Version 1.4 on 23 June 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.japan/msg/a880bf1ba370b9e5

    'Kofi Annan, the typical "sane Criminal" - one who, to "maintain"
     a position (in the UN) protects and hides severe Criminals'
      (8 June 2006 - Version 1.1 on 9 June 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.org.un/msg/cffc79dde74820cd

    'North-Korea is managed by the Chinese Criminal government as a
      front group for China, TO CREATE very costly trouble for you'
       (21 June 2006) (version for China's Great Wall)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.congress/msg/7f3a3f0fc6c10d03

    'U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour is
     Destructively Insane by Definition of {HRI 20030205}'
       (23 June 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/4deee3dc894eaf0e

    'China NOT A VALID MEMBER of the United Nations Organization (UN,
     UNO, ONU)'
     {HRI 20060429-V2.1.2} - quotes {HRI 20060427-V1.1}
      (29 April 2006 - Version 2.1.2 on 1 May 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/b753bf3df40e6a39
     {HRI 20060429-V2.1.2-c} (in 'mainland' English)
      (29 April 2006 - Version 2.1.2-c)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/d0bd2c13c146645f
'

___________
Attachments:

     (issued separately, as follows)

1.  'Iraq: A Population Silenced' - Dec 2002, public document from
           the US House Armed Services Committee.

     found, with explanations, and typeset, in

    'Iraq, A Population Silenced' - Report on Saddam Hussein's
     criminal insanity'
     {HRI 20060702-A1-V1.0.1}
      (2 July 2006 - Issued separately 28 Dec 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/d6da229514738e9f

2.  ''The Shadow Of A Monster,' being the body-double of Saddam
     Hussein's son Uday - Report on Saddam Hussein's criminal
     insanity'
     {HRI 20060702-A2-V1.0.1}
      (2 July 2006 - Issued separately 28 Dec 2006 - Version 1.0.1)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/4c41d6b3b912ccb9
     {HRI 20060702-A2-V1.0.2} (V1.0.2 has a short intro message)
      (2 July 2006 - Issued separately 28 Dec 2006 - Version 1.0.2)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.greek/msg/a8b60b031f82d4bc

           A telling report about Latif Yahia's years of horror with
           Saddam's sadistic son Uday Hussein.
           12 April 2003, by Lance Laytner, http://www.unison.ie
'

__________
Issue Note:

A previous issue of HRI 20060702, that included the attachments, but
those practically without typesetting or explanations, was:

    'REFUSING to Invade Iraq, Constitutes Severe Crimes against
     Humanity, by the Sociopaths Putin, Schroeder, Chirac, Jiang
     Zemin, Zapatero, etc.'
     {HRI 20060702-V3.3.2.1}
      (2 July 2006 - Version 3.3.2 on 10 Sept 2006) [for instance at]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.org.un/msg/f9c97ccbaa8fdf6d
'

_____
Books:

(A3)       (Robert D. Hare)

          'Without Conscience - the disturbing world of
           the psychopaths among us,' in particular its Chapter 7.,
           about 'white-collar Psychopaths.'
             By Robert D. Hare, University of British Columbia, 1993.
            (New York: Pocket Books, 1995)
            (New York: Guilford Press, 1999 - ISBN 1-5730-451-0)
     http://www.hare.org/home/index.html

     From the back cover of the book:

          'Robert Hare makes a strong case for the view that
           psychopaths are born, not made. A chilling, eye-opening
           report - and a call to action.'

          'Of exceptional value to anyone wishing to look behind and
           guard against these baffling predators [or parasite- or
           virus-personalities] who live amongst us in fearful [in
           large] numbers [sixty million of them on Earth].'
'

(A4)       (Hervey Cleckley)

          'The Mask Of Sanity - the acclaimed study of the
           psychopathic personality'
             By Hervey Cleckley, Medical College of Georgia, USA.
            (St. Louis, MO - USA: Mosby Press Medical Library, 1982)
            (New York: New American Library, ISBN 0-452-25341-1)

     From the back cover of the book:

          'Arrogant, shameless, immoral, impulsive, antisocial,
           superficial, alert, self-assured, boastful, callous,
           remorseless, charming, irresponsible:

               'This is the poisonous mix of traits, that make up the
                psychopathic personality. [...]

               'Psychopaths also sit in corporate boardrooms [as
                directors of companies or institutions] or function
                as scientists or physicians [medical doctors] or in
                any number of respectable capacities [holding
                respected jobs or positions].

               'They are all legally competent. [In the legal sense,
                they are not insane, because they can talk and
                think as brilliantly as a lawyer, to achieve their
                purposes.]

               'None of them "hears voices" or displays any
                psychosis [that a psychiatrist could easily
                recognize or could recognize at all, as these can not
                and also do not want to define psychosis correctly].

               'But they [psychopathic personalities] are all headed
                for [causing others] big trouble, in a life-long
                string of [causing] disasters [for others], that
                could run the gamut [range, the whole spectrum]:

                      From [causing] financial ruin, to murder.

               'Psychiatrists know neither the cause nor the cure of
                this disorder [and they can not and do not want to
                define 'disorder' either, and they have been working
                and will continue to work very hard to hide the
                cause of any 'disorder'] which evades [their]
                established definitions of either sanity or insanity;

                     [So, I have defined all these terms, for you,
                      in the Human Rights Issues {the HRI's}, as none
                      indeed existed. So it is for the first time in
                      history, that correct definitions exist and
                      have been published.]

               'indeed, psychiatrists themselves

                     [and any persons who try to help and to
                      understand Criminal Minds - any people who
                      try to help them]

               'are at times as helplessly manipulated by the
                psychopath, as are the psychopath's other victims.'
'

____________
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           http://www.angelfire.com/space/platoworld

Copyright 2006-2008 by Koos Nolst Trenite - human rights philosopher
and poet
This is 'learnware' - it may not be altered, and it is free for
anyone who learns from it and (even if he can not learn from it)
who passes it on unaltered, and with this message included,
to others who might be able to learn from it (but not to sociopaths,
who vehemently oppose any true knowledge of life and of themselves).
None of my writings may be used, ever, to support any political
or religious or scientific 'agenda,' but only to educate, and to
encourage people to judge un-dominated and for themselves,
about any organizations or individuals.
Send free-of-Envy and free-of-Hate, Beautiful e-mails to:
PlatoWorld at Lycos.com
retrogrouch@comcast.net - 03 Jul 2008 07:55 GMT
You stopped your meds again. Go back.

>America Is Freeing Iraq - not "occupying" it.
>
[quoted text clipped - 847 lines]
>Send free-of-Envy and free-of-Hate, Beautiful e-mails to:
> PlatoWorld at Lycos.com
Plato Been - 03 Jul 2008 11:44 GMT
Sociopaths, demonic creatures and mental street bums,
must filter out, from their own view, all writing by

Koos Nolst Trenite,

argued in this way:

    'Demonic creatures etc. have NO PERMISSION to talk to me'
     {Note 20071207}
      (7 December 2008 - Version 2.0 on 23 Apr 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/d2382c4aa5a6af9a

'

Koos Nolst Trenite is arguably the most Intelligent, the most
Beautiful and the most Caring philosopher known, and on top
of that, the most Truthful and most trusted philosopher known
on Earth and beyond.

Copyright 2008 by KNT hrp&p
Copyright conditions as usual ('learnware')
Ian Parker - 03 Jul 2008 13:46 GMT
What about the 2 million + people who have fled the new tyrants abd
are now in Syria and Jordan. In view of the attention paid to
democracy in Latin America support for democracy in Iraq is strange.

It would be a "Damascus road" experience, except that the only people
on the Damascus road are those fleeing the new (US imposed) tyrants.

 - Ian Parker
Plato Been - 04 Jul 2008 07:45 GMT
It is not "respondent's" non-sequitur and false "data" that are
interesting, but IT IS interesting, that this individual,

Ian Parker denies the existence of himself (a soul) and of others
(souls).

Ian Parker believes in and promotes Einstein's Relativity hoax.

Ian Parker denies the observations of others, as regard extra-
terrestrial civilization and the evidence of these visible on
Earth.

'

Such all are indicators for suspecting a sociopath originating
those ideas, in this case apparently confirmed to be Ian Parker.

'

Criminal Minds are all very standard, and once you know, it is
not difficult to detect many of them.

Entirely their opposite,

KNT

Copyright 2008 by KNT hrp&p
Copyright conditions as usual ('learnware')

__________________________

> What about the 2 million + people who have fled the new tyrants abd
> are now in Syria and Jordan. In view of the attention paid to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>   - Ian Parker
Ian Parker - 04 Jul 2008 11:45 GMT
> It is not "respondent's" non-sequitur and false "data" that are
> interesting, but IT IS interesting, that this individual,
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> > people on the Damascus road are those fleeing the new (US imposed)
> > tyrants.

I do not deny the existence of God or a Soul. I feel that there is a
lot of hypocracy in organised religion. That is as different point.
The idea of people being forced to flee a country they have grown up
in because they say their prayers the wrong way should be abhorrent to
everyone, as is suicide bombing and 72 houris.

The hoax is not Einstein - Relativity is well attested. The hoax is
the Black Sun, the CIA and neo nazi proaganda. Tell me please, is GPS
a hoax? What do you buy when you get Tom Tom and various other GPS
based devices?

Extraterrestrial life - I would like to see a rational discussion. The
consensus view is that life is common but that intelligent life is
rare. There is no evidence we have been visited by intelligent
extraterrestrials, the arguments, based to a degree on where our
technology is going (ET technology presumably went the same way).
Roswell is 1950s SF and the docuyments coming to light show it to have
been a gigantic hoax.

Nobody worships "divine Albert". Einstein said that God did not play
dice. Well he does

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread/44aeab12
5f474940/2393c15235ad6f88?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#2393c15235ad6f88


This is a discussion in sci.physics.research on this very topic. As
well as quantum mechanics there is the question of chaos. I felt the
discussion was disappearing into philosophical semantics - but there
you are. I personally like the Ian Stewart formulation of chaos based
on topology.

Roswell as I keep saying has been a hoax from beginning to end. The
hoax only survived as long as it did because of secrecy. If the
documents had not been classified their auhors would now be in jail
for fraud.

On the question both of extraterrestrial life and extraterrestrial
intelligent life I feel we should look. Do you object to measuring
optical activity in the ice of Europa? I want to look and do tests
which are as definitive as possible. Same is true of ET intelligent
life. There we are up against a problem. Either ET wants to be
observed - in which case he would have been observed yonks ago. If he
does not it is impossible to obseve him.

Radio/optical transmission will be on a maximum entropy principle and
undetecable. As I have said Radio Reloj with its sync pulses is going
to disappear very shortly. ET will be invisible to SETI. In fact the
only thing that won't be invisible will be the effect of civilization
on the home planet.

 - Ian Parker
Koos Nolst Trenite - 06 Jul 2008 13:10 GMT
The Einstein Hoax, GPS, and the soul - the Shortened Lunch Break

                                                        5 July 2008
                                              {HRI note 20080705-II}

1. Ian Parker(*) denies the existence of himself (a soul) and of
  others (souls).

He claims to acknowledge "The Soul or God," instead, without further
defining that. However, every person is a soul.

2. Ian Parker believes in and promotes Einstein's Relativity Hoax, and
  claims, with others, that the Hoax is proven correct with the
  engineering of the Global Positioning System (GPS).

However, the (GPS) calculations mentioned (quoted here, below) do not
apply to time, but to atomic clocks, meaning essentially, to the orbit
of electrons around atomic nuclei.

Then you can say as well, that "time will speed up," in the (ficti-
tious) case, that Earth moves into a closer orbit of the sun,
(shorter year) or, if Earth speeds up its rotation around itself
(shorter day).

To an indoctrinated physicist, that makes perfect sense.

'

To a normal person however, it is more like shortening his lunch
break:

     TIME DOES NOT CHANGE, but the lunch break shortens.

'

In other words, there is a complete difference between TIME, and
MEASURING TIME.

Which is, why Mr. Albert Einstein's "Relativity" - that "time is
relative," and that "space is determined by photons" - IS A HOAX.

     And that is, why Mr. Stephen Hawking, the one with the Black
     Holes, the Big Bangs, etc., is a HOAX TOO.

           But, fiction sells well, and is absorbed greedily, and
           made millionaires of Dan Brown and of J.K. Rowling, who
           do admit, however, that at least some part of their work
           IS fiction.

'

The belief in the Einstein Hoax, coincides with the (Ian Parker's)
denial of the spirit or soul - of the person experiencing his lunch
break getting shorter - BECAUSE he is a soul, and because HE knows he
does not perceive only photons, and is not a brain, but a soul.

See further:

    'Definition of Perception ... Fine Particle Physics ...'
     {FPP-HRI 20080608-V3.4}
       (8 June 2008 - Version 3.4 on 24 June 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.japan/msg/86abd93d0b48fc74

____________
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Copyright 2008 by Koos Nolst Trenite - human rights philosopher
and poet
This is 'learnware' - it may not be altered, and it is free for
anyone who learns from it and (even if he can not learn from it)
who passes it on unaltered, and with this message included,
to others who might be able to learn from it (but not to sociopaths,
who vehemently oppose any true knowledge of life and of themselves).
None of my writings may be used, ever, to support any political
or religious or scientific 'agenda,' but only to educate, and to
encourage people to judge un-dominated and for themselves,
about any organizations or individuals.
Send free-of-Envy and free-of-Hate, Beautiful e-mails to:
PlatoWorld at Lycos.com

'

'

"GPS and Relativity

According to the theory of relativity, due to their constant movement
and height relative to the Earth-centered inertial reference frame,
the clocks on the satellites are affected by their speed (special
relativity) as well as their gravitational potential (general
relativity). For the GPS satellites, general relativity predicts that
the atomic clocks at GPS orbital altitudes will tick more rapidly, by
about 45,900 nanoseconds (ns) per day, because they are in a weaker
gravitational field than atomic clocks on Earth's surface. Special
relativity predicts that atomic clocks moving at GPS orbital speeds
will tick more slowly than stationary ground clocks by about 7,200 ns
per day. When combined, the discrepancy is 38 microseconds per day; a
difference of 4.465 parts in 1010.[17]. To account for this, the
frequency standard onboard each satellite is given a rate offset prior
to launch, making it run slightly slower than the desired frequency on
Earth; specifically, at 10.22999999543 MHz instead of 10.23 MHz.[18]

GPS observation processing must also compensate for another
relativistic effect, the Sagnac effect. The GPS time scale is defined
in an inertial system but observations are processed in an
Earth-centered, Earth-fixed (co-rotating) system, a system in which
simultaneity is not uniquely defined. The Lorentz transformation
between the two systems modifies the signal run time, a correction
having opposite algebraic signs for satellites in the Eastern and
Western celestial hemispheres. Ignoring this effect will produce an
east-west error on the order of hundreds of nanoseconds, or tens of
meters in position.[19]

The atomic clocks on board the GPS satellites are precisely tuned,
making the system a practical engineering application of the
scientific theory of relativity in a real-world environment."

(quoted from Wikipedia of today's date)

> On 4 Jul, 07:45, [I wrote, as] Plato Been <plato.been@gmail.com>
> > It is not "respondent's" non-sequitur and false "data" that are
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> > __________________________

[Ian Perker wrote non-sequitur and false "data" as follows]
> > > What about the 2 million + people who have fled the new tyrants
and
> > > are now in Syria and Jordan. In view of the attention paid to
> > > democracy in Latin America support for democracy in Iraq is strange.
>
> > > It would be a "Damascus road" experience, except that the only
> > > people on the Damascus road are those fleeing the new (US imposed)
> > > tyrants.

[Ian Parker wrote about himself]

> I do not deny the existence of God or a Soul. I feel that there is a
> lot of hypocracy in organised religion. That is as different point.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Nobody worships "divine Albert". Einstein said that God did not play
> dice. Well he does

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thre.
..

> This is a discussion in sci.physics.research on this very topic. As
> well as quantum mechanics there is the question of chaos. I felt the
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>   - Ian Parker
Ian Parker - 06 Jul 2008 14:24 GMT
On 6 Jul, 13:10, Koos Nolst Trenite <AmbassadorForMank...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> The Einstein Hoax, GPS, and the soul - the Shortened Lunch Break
>
[quoted text clipped - 221 lines]
> civilization
> > on the home planet.

Why are you supporting the pseudoscience of Roswell and the CIA?

 - Ian Parker
Ian Parker - 06 Jul 2008 14:29 GMT
Einstein was not a hoax, you are. There IS a Roswell hoax, there was
NO Einstein hoax. It is clear to me now that there is a systematic
orchestrated campaign against good science. The Discovery Institute is
rightly criticised for its denial of Evolution. I can understand
(just) Adam, Eve and the Garden. Why Relativity though? Is it
connected with the Roswell Hoax?

 - Ian Parker
Dr. Henri Wilson - 07 Jul 2008 01:03 GMT
>Einstein was not a hoax, you are. There IS a Roswell hoax, there was
>NO Einstein hoax. It is clear to me now that there is a systematic
>orchestrated campaign against good science. The Discovery Institute is
>rightly criticised for its denial of Evolution. I can understand
>(just) Adam, Eve and the Garden. Why Relativity though? Is it
>connected with the Roswell Hoax?

Einstein's theory was a compromise between existing aether theories and true
concept of relativity.

A conclusion of LET is that all observers would measure OWLS to be c whatever
their speed through the ABSOLUTE aether. The (fictitious) LTs accounted for
this.

Einstein merely started with this conclusion and worked the math backwards.

Only an absolute aether or the fairies could magically adjust all starlight in
the universe to travel towards little planet Earth at the same precise speed,
irrespective of relative source movement.

Einstein's was indeed a very clever hoaxer.

>  - Ian Parker

Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

All religion involves selling a nonexistant product to gullible unfortunates. Einstein cleverly exploited this principle with his second postulate.
Ian Parker - 07 Jul 2008 11:29 GMT
> >Einstein was not a hoax, you are. There IS a Roswell hoax, there was
> >NO Einstein hoax. It is clear to me now that there is a systematic
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Einstein's was indeed a very clever hoaxer.

How come there are so many different people talking arrant nnionsense.
Are they real people? Are they really one person logged in under
different pseudonymes.

The only thing you have said that is even partially true is that SR is
a compromise on various Aether theories. Poncaré in fact produced a
relativisic principle. It was a purely mathematical formulation of
Special Relativity. The equations of Quantum Electrodynamics are
invariant under the Lorenz transformation. The world we inabit being
governed by QE must obey Special Relativity by means of mathematical
theorem.

It should be pointed out tthough that Schroedinger's equation is not
relativistically invariant as it stands. You need to base QE on the
Dirac equation. This sticks its neck out and gives us antiparicles.
You need antiparticles to make the equations invariant. The positron
exists. Now this to anyones mind must be a tremendous vindication.
Indeed so deeply embedded is Relativity that when the weak nuclear
force exhibits asymmetry with regard to the antiparticles we say it
does not have mirror image symmetry. This tells us that the chemistry
of stereo isomers is different to a part in 10^12.

General Relativity is NOT an aether theory in any way. It cannot be.
It says some striking and testable things about gravity. Things fall
because space is curved. Precession of orbit of Mercury, bending of
light near the Sun (the 1919 eclipse of the Sun).

However as I have said elsewhere Relativity has been so overwhelmingly
proved to be true that one wonders why it is attacked. Is it by any
chance to cover up the Roswell/Area 51 fiasco?

 - Ian Parker
Dr. Henri Wilson - 07 Jul 2008 23:38 GMT
>> >Einstein was not a hoax, you are. There IS a Roswell hoax, there was
>> >NO Einstein hoax. It is clear to me now that there is a systematic
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>Are they real people? Are they really one person logged in under
>different pseudonymes.

They are real people who have rejected indoctrination with Einsteiniana.

>The only thing you have said that is even partially true is that SR is
>a compromise on various Aether theories. Poncaré in fact produced a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>governed by QE must obey Special Relativity by means of mathematical
>theorem.

Einstein's theory is NOT relativity at all. It is an aether theory that makes
the aether appear redundant.
The second postulate clearly requires an absolute aether to operate. How else
would all starlight in the universe traveling towards planet earth move at the
same speed?
Variable star brightness curves are a c+v effect, as I and others have shown.

>It should be pointed out tthough that Schroedinger's equation is not
>relativistically invariant as it stands. You need to base QE on the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>does not have mirror image symmetry. This tells us that the chemistry
>of stereo isomers is different to a part in 10^12.

......irrelevant...

>General Relativity is NOT an aether theory in any way. It cannot be.
>It says some striking and testable things about gravity. Things fall
>because space is curved. Precession of orbit of Mercury, bending of
>light near the Sun (the 1919 eclipse of the Sun).

GR describes a universe in which light speed from all sources is always
measured to be the same by all observers. It merely distorts and curves 'space'
to make that appear true.
In individual cases, it can produce teh same answeers as the BaTh. For
instance, the gravitational blue shift for falling light is the same in both
theories...not surprising.

The GR approach is as stupid as using Earth centrism to describe the motion of
planets.

>However as I have said elsewhere Relativity has been so overwhelmingly
>proved to be true that one wonders why it is attacked. Is it by any
>chance to cover up the Roswell/Area 51 fiasco?

There is absolutely NO experimental evidence in support of Einstein's
relativity.

>  - Ian Parker

Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

All religion involves selling a nonexistant product to gullible unfortunates. Einstein cleverly exploited this principle with his second postulate.
Eric Gisse - 09 Jul 2008 10:26 GMT
[snip babble]

> The second postulate clearly requires an absolute aether to operate. How else
> would all starlight in the universe traveling towards planet earth move at the
> same speed?

All these years of whining about relativity can be boiled down to the
nugget of truth displayed here.

[snip babble]
spudnik - 09 Jul 2008 04:05 GMT
these guys must not believe in Dirac's positron, but
the same is true for Big Bang cosmologists, who *assume* that
all of the "photons" are being generated by matter (and that
all quasars are as far away as a Doppler shift'd indicate, but
those are rather exceptional for *any* theory, so far).

Lt.Col. Corso may have been the original Roswell hoaxer; at least
his coauthor exposed him as *a* hoaxer, when Corso couldn't make it
to the bookstore for the signing; he was dying.

> However as I have said elsewhere Relativity has been so overwhelmingly
> proved to be true that one wonders why it is attacked. Is it by any
> chance to cover up the Roswell/Area 51 fiasco?

thus:
only that there is no absolute vacuum per Blaise Pascal's experiment
-- he didn't know about partial pressures --
so no "final" value of c, unless it can be calculated
from other known constants & "an ideal region of perfectly empty
space;"
ours is close-enough for all work.

Newton's corpuscles were sum-totally alleviated
by Young's experiments: all essential properties are those
of waves, aside from the seeming ballisticness of the photoelectric
effect, or
when Moon hits your eye like that.

Roswell is strictly a psychological "denial" of the people
of the area about its two elements of cache from around WW2,
as well as a sort of tourist attraction (couldn't be that large,
though .-)

"faster than light" is an idea that is required
by no known physical principles, other than "hard SF,"
the same as multiverses et al ad vomitorium.

> If the light postulate is true, then miraculous effects (time
> dilation, length contraction etc.) do exist and Einstein is at least
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
> physics."

thus:
he didn't get that with my example of slaloms,
that he applied to skiing, either, but you have to realize that
the "straight line," even if it exists in a particular stretch,
is also a slalom/brachistochrone/tautochrone.  so, I just realized,
the fact that it takes longer to fall from a higher heighth,
is partly a result of "terminal velocity" with air drag.

> It seems that the theory from which his "laws of inertia" are derived
> excludes the Sun's gravity as a "physical cause". If it works anywhere
> at all, that could only be in a very small box. ;)

thus:
well, obviously, the gallilean principle of relativity;

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Ian Parker - 09 Jul 2008 14:50 GMT
Just one point about the actual value of c. It is

299,792,458 m/s

This is a DEFINITION. To me the interesting thing is that c is more
accurate than the scratches on the bar in Paris. The other interesting
fact is that means are now available to actually count at optical
frequencies.

This is to me remarkable.

 - Ian Parker
Dr. Henri Wilson - 16 Jul 2008 01:25 GMT
>Just one point about the actual value of c. It is
>
>299,792,458 m/s
>
>This is a DEFINITION. To me the interesting thing is that c is more
>accurate than the scratches on the bar in Paris.

'c' is a universal constant. It also appears to be the valie of light speed wrt
its source. (although this could be very slightly energy dependent).

The value of c can be accurately determined from any good TWLS experiment in a
vacuum.

OWLS is not necessarily equal to c. It can have any value.

>The other interesting
>fact is that means are now available to actually count at optical
>frequencies.

I don't think so. Slower beats are counted.

>This is to me remarkable.

>  - Ian Parker

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www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

All religion involves selling a nonexistant product to gullible unfortunates. Einstein cleverly exploited this principle with his second postulate.
Double-A - 16 Jul 2008 20:51 GMT
> >Just one point about the actual value of c. It is
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> All religion involves selling a nonexistant product to gullible unfortunates. Einstein cleverly exploited this principle with his second postulate.

Dr. Wilson?  Haha!

Mailorder university!

Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 19 Jul 2008 13:51 GMT
DoubleA   My Spin is in theory explains why light leaves its source at c
it never can slow down,and photons do not bounce. Bouncing is macro
thinking (like a rubber ball) We must think quantum micro. I think QM
Bert
Double-A - 19 Jul 2008 18:51 GMT
> DoubleA   My Spin is in theory explains why light leaves its source at c
> it never can slow down,and photons do not bounce. Bouncing is macro
> thinking (like a rubber ball) We must think quantum micro. I think QM
> Bert

Yes, they do not bounce.  Bouncing is macro.  Braless macro mams comes
to mind!

Double-A
Ian Parker - 09 Jul 2008 20:35 GMT
> these guys must not believe in Dirac's positron, but
> the same is true for Big Bang cosmologists, who *assume* that
> all of the "photons" are being generated by matter (and that
> all quasars are as far away as a Doppler shift'd indicate, but
> those are rather exceptional for *any* theory, so far).

Just one point about "Big Bang" cosmologists. Quasars are at
cosmological distances. We know about the Physics that makes threm
work and we have optical spectra of some of them. You see a quasar
consists of a black hole which is actively moving matter and a galaxy.
Spectra have been taken of these objects so we know their red shift.
The distances are certainly cosmological. If they are NOT far away
what is the alternative explanation for red shift?

"All the photons being generated by matter". I don't know what you
mean. Photons must have a reason for their existence. Are you
referring to the 2.7K radiation? We know that after 300,000 years the
Universe became transparant.

 - Ian Parker
spudnik - 10 Jul 2008 05:00 GMT
photons from antimatter look the same.

doppler shift is not the only plausible reason
for redshifts.  are there any blueshifts, at all,
by the way?

> The distances are certainly cosmological. If they are NOT far away
> what is the alternative explanation for red shift?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> referring to the 2.7K radiation? We know that after 300,000 years the
> Universe became transparant.

thus:
only that there is no absolute vacuum per Blaise Pascal's experiment
-- he didn't know about partial pressures --
so no "final" value of c, unless it can be calculated
from other known constants & "an ideal region of perfectly empty
space;"
ours is close-enough for all work.

Newton's corpuscles were sum-totally alleviated
by Young's experiments: all essential properties are those
of waves, aside from the seeming ballisticness of the photoelectric
effect, or
when Moon hits your eye like that.

Roswell is strictly a psychological "denial" of the people
of the area about its two elements of cache from around WW2,
as well as a sort of tourist attraction (couldn't be that large,
though .-)

"faster than light" is an idea that is required
by no known physical principles, other than "hard SF,"
the same as multiverses et al ad vomitorium.

> If the light postulate is true, then miraculous effects (time
> dilation, length contraction etc.) do exist and Einstein is at least
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary
> physics."

thus:
he didn't get that with my example of slaloms,
that he applied to skiing, either, but you have to realize that
the "straight line," even if it exists in a particular stretch,
is also a slalom/brachistochrone/tautochrone.  so, I just realized,
the fact that it takes longer to fall from a higher heighth,
is partly a result of "terminal velocity" with air drag.

> It seems that the theory from which his "laws of inertia" are derived
> excludes the Sun's gravity as a "physical cause". If it works anywhere
> at all, that could only be in a very small box. ;)

thus:
well, obviously, the gallilean principle of relativity;

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"Give jihad a chance in The Sudan, Rhodesia, and
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Odysseus - 10 Jul 2008 09:06 GMT
In article
<61b80a79-cac2-4a77-8dcb-855a9b3d7ba6@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,

> photons from antimatter look the same.
>
> doppler shift is not the only plausible reason
> for redshifts.  are there any blueshifts, at all,
> by the way?

Certainly: M31 in Andromeda is a prominent example from the Local Group.
But beyond a certain distance (~10-20 Mpc?) no galaxies have fast enough
proper motion to offset their cosmological redshifts.

Signature

Odysseus

spudnik - 21 Jul 2008 22:47 GMT
these are largely a priori assumptions, that the Hubbleshift is the
same
as a Doppler shift, whereas the main effect of greater redshift
with distance could simply be tied to the effects of "vacuum;"
it's only relative!

the anamolous associations of the quasars have been amply documented
by the late Halton Arp, who was progressively denied access
to time on the scopes, because of his seeming sacrilege.  so, if
the quasars are not as far away as a redshift-is-all-Dopplergangs,
then they are not quite as powerful as calculated.  anyway,
I believe that one of the main interpretations is that
quasars are associated with the births of new galaxies
from older ones, or some thing, or it's meitotic, or what ever.

as for the "cosmic background radiation," I just read a snippet
in *Harper's* that coincides with what I thought,
that I'd read some when way back:
"....Geneticists calculated taht humans nearly died out
70,000 years ago.  Cosmologists postulated that
the universe began not with a bang, but a splat, and
suggested that the solar system may be saturated
within a billion-light-year-wide bubble of low density, surrounded
by a shell of high density, which would create, for observers
on Earth, the illusion that the universe's expansion is accelerating.
Geologists remain uncertain why the Earth hums."
("Findings," July 2008)  or,
what I was originally thinking, is that COBE really saw what
could not be known to be not just a local effect, anyway;
the 2.7K is associatedd with what spectrum?

anyway, "photons" are also created by antimatter;
they are not "antiphotons" that anhialate the good vibrations
o'light!

> consists of a black hole which is actively moving matter and a galaxy.
> Spectra have been taken of these objects so we know their red shift.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> referring to the 2.7K radiation? We know that after 300,000 years the
> Universe became transparant.

thus:
strategically, it was Churchill who needlessly prolonged the war, and
you can look that up on larouchepub.com; I forgot.  the real tragedy,
abundantly documented alsothereat, was Truman's going over MacArthur
*and*
Eisenhower's heads, to begin the nuclear age with an act of terrorism
(although
the firebombings were numerically worse).

"no aether" is just an interpretation, plainly acknowledged by AE --
somebody on one of these fora recently quoted him on that.

if you don't comprehend the proportionality of matter with energy,
via c, you really have no gripe with the twin "paradox" ...
what if you were there triplet deployed at 120-degree trajectory,
away from them?

> Why? There is no reference to any medium - material or otherwise - in
> Maxwell's equations.

> Lorentz transforms are only valid for constant velocity, and the
> traveling twin accelerates when he turns around. Why can you not
> understand this?

thus:
really; line-of-sight is not the quickest path,
nor the least-energy path.  if you're ever going
to find out what the shape of the box is (then,
whether ye be in or out of it), you're going to have
to at least "look up" the problem of the tautachrone,
which is the same as the brachistoschrone,
which is how Leibniz popularized his calculus
(solved by Bernoulli, as well).  but, please,
don't googolplex it, or you'll never get it!

a related, though maybe "ill-posed" problem, is,
waht is the slowest path?

the brachistochrone (for light-considered-as-a-particle,
AKA geometric optics or ray-tracing) is just an application
of Fermat's least-time principle for light, or rather,
Snell's extension of it to refraction.

> No.  The shortest distance may be a straight line, but
> it's not always the most energy efficient.  Remember,

thus:
where is *what* ice, there?

newsflash, icebergs calve off of icesheets, either because a)
the icesheet is "collapsing," or b)
precipitation is greater.  c)
both of the above in some spots (the part of Antarctica
that sticks-out into the weather e.g.:
the Larsen-B iceshelf broke off, and
"the sky is glowing -- help!")

I read that there are about 4x more polar bears, now,
than there were a few decades ago, presumably because
they like garbage as much as most other bears --
those feelthee Eskimos!

> when all will seem strange and we will wonder where the ice is.
> Why are not we able to connect the environmental dots?

thus:
yes, well, the daily rotation isn't a rational subdivisor,
apparently, of the yearly revolution (at least,
not a direct, "linear" relationship to be seen -- and
why should there be?).

the daylength can always be defined as 24 hours,
regardless of the varying speed of rotation;
Verdi's classical tuning is middle C = 256 cycles per second;
A = 440Hz was established by the Nazis,
at a concert in London, 'cause "it's more brilliant
for the times!"

thus:
garbage, unless you consider the Alain Aspect version
of Schroedinger's undead cat (Erwin's little gedanken joke) viz-a-vu
the EPR paradox,
which is just an interpretation (that is,
the Copenhagen Schoolers' mystical write-up of this experiment;
the cat has been dead for a hundred years, so that
you probably wouldn't be able to find the putrid remains
of *that* particular ****, including the still-damp litter).

what possible phenomenon requires speeds over light,
other than scifi authorships?

> signalling, you should be able to entangle particles to produce
> instantaneous travel.

thus:
his statement could refer to raw coal rocks; I'm sure that
there is a tremendous variation in the darkness of seams
of coal!

> compare the number of stars you can see on a clear moonless night to
> the number of stars you can see on a night when there's a full moon.

thus:
conjuring scifi is silly; it has always been a haven
of supersillyousness or outright spookery, as per "flatland"
by the ridiculous A.A.Skwared, 4D BS from the British Pyschol.Society
etc., and
the latterday mongering of timespace -- the arbitrary spacialization
of time by means of a diagram, which is supposed to be an *aid*
to comprehension of phasespace, not a "reified" ideal of itself,
per Minkowski's youthful exhuberance.  (y'know,
Minkowski's stuff is really mathematically worthwhile,
otherwise ... "no, please, don't, stop -- mathematics ?!?!")

*a priori* assumptions of megalithic structures on Venus,
like Hoagland's Balls on Mars foolishness,
really requires an actual program o'space to investigate, since
nature is capable of quite awesome geometries (or
'hype-D physiques,' or it's all ultimately geometry, anyway,
somehow, a la Plato or Bucky Fullerofit); however,
that was shotdown with Kennedy & Nixon:
just as with our nuclear energy, we are still using '50s technology
from the planet Marduk (per ScientologyTM .-)

> > You can consider them "multidimensional" beings who exist through time

> the clearly intelligent infrastructure that can be seen as rational
> and existing/coexisting on Venus?

thus:
that which causes the matter of "time slowing"
in acceleration, is really the same as matter being energy,
somehow, via their proportionality with c,
the speed of light; that's incredibly obvious, although
I know of no school of quantum, that says,
how many quants of light make a proton e.g. (and,
since the "photons" come in all sizes, it's moot .-)

in any case, this is one of the properties of light
that was experimentally verified in the 19th cce, although
it is carachteristically never even mentioned,
in favor of one of the EinsteinHubbleGodot paradoxi/
doctrines of the Department of Einsteinmania/
the Musical Department!

thus:
superstringtheory at least gets rid of that point,
from the get-go & without further a-do, even if
it's not just a string, a "one-dimensional object" ...
howsoever it is that matter bends space,
as measured by Gauss for the government of France
in the 19th cce, and experimentally adduced
by the classical Greek geometers, light travels
through this bent medium,  which apparently also
alters the shape of it --  no timespace utterances needed,
it's so very, blatantly bended-up!

Roswell is a big double-entendre from WW2, but you could see that
those who embrace it could go no further.  that is really the gist
of the "Lt.Col. Corso School" of Roswellology, that
virtually *all* of 20th cce science & technology
[http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/]
came out of Corso's very own dyspersal of the pile of crap
that fell out of the sky, there, to "some big corporations;"
mayhap, he also wrote the first press-release -- too bad,
he had to wait til he was at death's door, to reap the deal
for the book.

that is to say,
humans are incapable of generating ideas ... or,
it just applies to Americans!

> > > Einstein was not a hoax, you are. There IS a Roswell hoax, there was

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> incorrect value and the reasoning behind it even though our
> civilisation achieved the core principles of 24 hours/360 degrees many
> centuries ago and we use those principles day in and day out,then we
> no longer deserve the title of 'civilisation' regardless oif how
> advanced our technological achievements are.

thus:
garbage, unless you consider the Alain Aspect version
of Schroedinger's undead cat (Erwin's little gedanken joke) viz-a-vu
the EPR paradox,
which is just an interpretation (that is,
the Copenhagen Schoolers' mystical write-up of this experiment;
the cat has been dead for a hundred years, so that
you probably wouldn't be able to find the putrid remains
of *that* particular ****, including the extremely damp litter).

what possible phenomenon requires speeds over light,
other than scifi authorships?

> How does that work?
>
> Well if you entangle photons in a weird way to produce instantaneous
> signalling, you should be able to entangle particles to produce
> instantaneous travel.

thus:
excellent quantifications; "BG" will never reply to it, I guess,
although
his statement could refer to raw coal rocks; I'm sure, though, that
there is a tremendous variation in the darkness of seams
of coal!

> For anyone who believes the moon is too dark to wash out stars -
> compare the number of stars you can see on a clear moonless night to
> the number of stars you can see on a night when there's a full moon.

thus:
conjuring scifi is silly; it has always been a haven
of supersillyousness or outright spookery, as per "flatland"
by the ridiculous A.A.Skwared, 4D BS from the British Pyschol.Society
etc., and
the latterday mongering of timespace -- the arbitrary spacialization
of time by means of a diagram, which is supposed to be an *aid*
to comprehension of phasespace, not a "reified" ideal of itself,
per Minkowski's youthful exhuberance.  (y'know,
Minkowski's stuff is really mathematically worthwhile,
otherwise ... "no, please, don't, stop -- mathematics ?!?!")

*a priori* assumptions of megalithic structures on Venus,
like Hoagland's Balls on Mars foolishness,
really requires an actual program o'space to investigate, since
nature is capable of quite awesome geometries (or
'hype-D physiques'); however, that was shotdown with Kennedy & Nixon:
just as with our nuclear energy, we are still using '50s technology
from the planet Marduk (per ScientologyTM .-)

> > You can consider them "multidimensional" beings who exist through time

> the clearly intelligent infrastructure that can be seen as rational
> and existing/coexisting on Venus?

thus:
that which causes the matter of "time slowing"
in acceleration, is really the same as matter being energy,
somehow, via their proportionality with c,
the speed of light; that's incredibly obvious, although
I know of no school of quantum, that says,
how many quants of light make a proton e.g. (and,
since the "photons" come in all sizes, it's moot .-)

in any case, this is one of the properties of light
that was experimentally verified in the 19th cce, although
it is carachteristically never even mentioned,
in favor of one of the EinsteinHubbleGodot paradoxi/
doctrines of the Department of Einsteinmania/
the Musical Department!

thus:
superstringtheory at least gets rid of that point,
from the get-go & without further a-do, even if
it's not just a string, a "one-dimensional object" ...
howsoever it is that matter bends space,
as measured by Gauss for the government of France
in the 19th cce, and experimentally adduced
by the classical Greek geometers, light travels
through this bent medium,  which apparently also
alters the shape of it --  no timespace utterances needed,
it's so very, blatantly bended-up!

Roswell is a big double-entendre from WW2, but you could see that
those who embrace it could go no further.  that is really the gist
of the "Lt.Col. Corso School" of Roswellology, that
virtually *all* of 20th cce science & technology
[http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/]
came out of Corso's very own dyspersal of the pile of crap
that fell out of the sky, there, to "some big corporations;"
mayhap, he also wrote the first press-release -- too bad,
he had to wait til he was at death's door, to reap the deal
for the book.

that is to say,
humans are incapable of generating ideas ... or,
it just applies to Americans!

> > > Einstein was not a hoax, you are. There IS a Roswell hoax, there was

--Seargent Barracks Soros McCheeny Pepper,
"Give jihad a chance in The Sudan, Rhodesia, and
other former colonial moments -- Yahoo!TM;
you're going to feel my computerized draft,
boys'n'girls: NO AMERICAN MIDDLESCHOOLER LEFT BEHIND;
                NO RHODESIA SCHOLARS IN HARM'S WAY!"
http://larouchepub.com/lar/2008/3526lar_soros_pamph.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2008/3526save_nations_parasites.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2008/3526zim_brit_op.html
Saul Levy - 22 Jul 2008 19:49 GMT
Halton's dead?  No way!  lmao!

He has a website with contact info.:  http://www.haltonarp.com

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halton_Arp

I've worked with him at Kitt Peak.  Denied telescope access?  Not
true.  Maybe at Palomar, but not at Kitt Peak.

Saul Levy

>the anamolous associations of the quasars have been amply documented
>by the late Halton Arp, who was progressively denied access
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>quasars are associated with the births of new galaxies
>from older ones, or some thing, or it's meitotic, or what ever.
Koobee Wublee - 09 Jul 2008 21:18 GMT