: I don't think the device works in quite the way indicated. In
: fact what is being described would appear to be an interferomer
: which is capable of resolving the Earth and Sun.
What rubbish. You speak as though you were there at Harvard U.
doing the testing yourself. How would you know how the Astrocomb
works? Even if you are the slightest bit aware of how this device
works, you would not be making bald statements like this.
: I remember way, way back in the past going to a seminar on an
: interferometer which could measure the discs of stars. It con-
: sisted of two searchlights on rails and an amplifier recorded the
: shot noise from the detectors. The bandwidth was, at that time,
: about 1GHz.
This is in no way indicative of the knowledge that is being put
to use in the Harvard facility. This only shows that you have
an interest in technology that YOU think will assimilate the
research being done at Harvard.
: The fact of the matter is that although a very small part of the
: "bandwidth" of the light was tyaken it could still produce an
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: quantum theory. The noise is in fact quantized, although it is a
: nook and cranny of quantum theory.
I see the invalidation complex you are building. By trivializing
the technology into your very own personalized "nook and cranny"
everything else becomes a moot point, except that you're missing
some key ingredients - like triangulization of data between obser-
vatories, as well as the increased RF and infared sensitivity of
the detectors used in each. Interstellar dust has no influence on
radio wave detection because the radio waves used for detecting
interstellar, earth-size planets are far longer than the size of
the dust particles. This is especially true for infared detectors,
since the extinction curve rises as the wavelength approaches
around 2200 angstroms, or about 4.8 cps. The data correlates quite
effectively when the readings are synchronized between observation
points - just like satellite communication, except that the
'satellite' in this case, is the location of abberated infared
starlight from an extremely starry background - much like how the
heavens appear away from city or urban lit areas. With modern
observation techniques, the night sky is a much, much brighter
place than even Galileo ever dreamed it would be.
: I suspect what we have here is something similar. The interference
: is with a laser. We can now in fact combine the signals from a
: large number of telescopes. This need not even be done in
: real time.
A point squeaks by.
: Yes, this will work - quantum theory is obeyed at all times. However
: I feel I should point out that such an instrument is no substitute
: for a proper fragmented telescope in space. Interesting none
: the less.
You are now invalidating the use of earth-based observation in lieu
of space based, no doubt. Unfortunately, you are wrong in this regard
because this is precisely why this research is being done - due to the
inefficiency and/or observational itinerary of the Hubble Telescope
to focus on where the action is - extraterrestrial, habitable,
earth-like planetary systems - which is the solution to establishing
space based outposts in more desirable locations than the barren
wastelands of the Moon or Mars. My feeling is that these places
are mere distractions - miniature HELLS that continue to occupy
the minds of lost souls, at the expense of those who wish to subvert
and enslave most of earth in a materialist purgatory - paradise for
the dominionists who can control the means by which wealth is
attained, by legislating how wealth becomes EARNED through taxation
and the granting of entitlements with futher earmarks, riders, and
pork-barrel legislations. This is blatantly abusive on human
dignity and survivability for the next decade and beyond.
Simply put, ground based observatories today can correct their
imagery using an infared photometer of indium antimonide and image
deconvolution, with the ability to resolve to 0.1 arc second - which
is only one half as sharp as Hubble space Telescope @ 0.05 arc sec.
The workable range might be no further than about 300 LY distance,
but who needs to start a survey THAT wide, if we're only interested
in the ones predicted to be in closer proximity (~70 LY average hab-
itable planetary radius, by the Royal British Interplanetary Society)?
All the devolutionists can stuff that into their pipe, and smoke it
too if they want, because they're never getting beyond the seventh
heaven anyway, described by Enoch in The Book of Enoch, Chapter 20:
1 And those two men lifted me up thence on to the seventh heaven,
and I saw there a very great light, and fiery troops of great
archangels (2), incorporeal forces, and dominions, orders and
governments, cherubim and seraphim, thrones and many-eyed ones,
nine regiments, the Ioanit stations of light, and I became afraid,
and began to tremble with great terror, and those men took me, and
led me after them, and said to me:
The "Ioanit stations of light" refer to orbital positions around
the earth, such as the space station, satelites, etc., giving rise
to the idea that orbit is where mass manipulation and control
ends, and where heaven begins:
2 Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, and showed me the Lord from afar,
sitting on His very high throne. For what is there on the tenth
heaven, since the Lord dwells there?
An 8th-century English theologian, The Venerable Bede, wrote that
"the seven heavens are (1) the Air, (2) the Ether, (3) Olympus, (4)
the
Element of Fire, (5) the Firmament, (6) the Angelical Region, and
(7) the Realm of the Trinity."
Lucifer rises to a fortiori; because of the invariability of the
sidreal revolutions of the heavens, mostly planetary, in attempting
to regulate the harmony of the world from the seventh heaven; All
this being done in the name of the Great Manipulator of Creation,
using systems of numbers to symbolize astrological events, rather
than having YHWH speak these things into existance.
: The instrument will not work as described. The broadning of spectral
: lines on a star arises from a variety of causes. It dpoes NOT vary
: with time in the way suggested.
WRONG. You've tried to build a case for space based observation, and
then go on to say that the current earth based observation will not
work because "the broadening of spectral lines does not vary with
time" - but it DOES - with EARTH BASED OBSERVATION.
You've attempted to use your own semantics in redefining what
observation should be when you're not even giving creedence to the
extremely bright truth in all of this - that earth-like planets
are in the process of being discovered NOW, and this event will be
the beginning of a vast rush to the stars - G2V perhaps - perhaps
not G2V. In any event, the technology for locating earth-size
planets is here to stay as well as advanced ground-based RF and
infared technology.
American
- Ian Parker
Ian Parker - 03 Jul 2008 19:05 GMT
> : I don't think the device works in quite the way indicated. In
> : fact what is being described would appear to be an interferomer
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> planets is here to stay as well as advanced ground-based RF and
> infared technology.
All I am doing is looking at the laws of Physics and seeing how they
fit it. No, I am not trying to trivialise it. The original
interferometer was a most impressive piece of work. If Harvard have
managed to up the frequency that too is impressive.
Could I reming everyone that science is usually published in peer
reviewed artices. It would be interesting to see what Harvard say at
the end of the day.
- Ian Parker
kT - 03 Jul 2008 19:22 GMT
>> : I don't think the device works in quite the way indicated. In
>> : fact what is being described would appear to be an interferomer
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> reviewed artices. It would be interesting to see what Harvard say at
> the end of the day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Planet_Finder
http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/TPF-I/TPFIwhitepaper.pdf
http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/TPF/tpf_what_is.cfm
Congress! You just gotta love em.
Ian Parker - 03 Jul 2008 19:36 GMT
> >> : I don't think the device works in quite the way indicated. In
> >> : fact what is being described would appear to be an interferomer
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This is neither what American described or my response. They are
straightforward fragmented telescopes. They have abandoned the rigid
sdtructure, as I said was possible. The LISA "pevbble" is lso capable
of building instruments of this type.
Need - Brilliant pebbles.
- Ian Parker
kT - 03 Jul 2008 20:05 GMT
> It would be interesting to see what Harvard say at
>>> the end of the day.
I think rather they want to be the first ones to say it.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Planet_Finder
>>
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>> Congress! You just gotta love em.
> This is neither what American described or my response.
So what. Why would I want to respond?
American - 06 Jul 2008 12:33 GMT
> > It would be interesting to see what Harvard say at
> >>> the end of the day.
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>
> So what. Why would I want to respond?
The detection of extraterrestrial planetary systems using a network
of large diameter radio telescopes that are uplinked to an
orbital GPS network of robotic telescopes in remote locations can
be used to collect data of light-years distant occultations of
earth-like planetary systems. My guess is that the Astrocomb has
been developed to act like a 'big ear' of reception for several
large dish networked radio and infared telescopes, by collimating
the signal reception between dishes and using laser interferometry
for the detection apparatus.
Several automated robotic telescopes have recently been installed
in order to develop automated procedures for data gathering, image
processing, and analysis. Solid State Image Sensors represent the
new wave of solid state imaging arrays. Parameters such as quantum
efficiency, dark current, noise and cross talk are measured
routinely. The devices currently being tested include large format
(4K x 4K) CCD arrays, IR Focal Plane Arrays and Charge Injection
Device Arrays. CID arrays offer considerable promise in many appli-
cations due to the focal plane architecture that allows random pixel
access and non-destructive readout. The development of next genera-
tion imaging arrays such as the Active Pixel Sensor (APS), promise
considerable flexibility in read-out and on-chip processing for the
future. Such devices are being fabricated in microelectronics
facilities throught the world today.
The ionosphere is usually clear of noise below about 10 MHz, but
increases dramatically with frequency up to 1 GHz. The units of
zenith opacity are measured in Decibels and/or Nepers. O2 and H2O
are the culprits behind the high frequency absorption of radio
waves, measured between about 0.04 and 100 dB signal attenuation.
My guess is that the Astrocomb laser interferometer being proposed
works best under 1 GHz, which means that large dish arrays in arid
regions, such as the 157 inch telescope at Kitt Peak, Arizona, may
attenuate less than large dish arrays in less arid regions. The same
is true for mountainous regions, such as the 200 inch telescope at
Mt. Palomar. Thus a water bearing, earth-like planet might be detec-
table from a network of ground-based telescopes, given a reduction
in the amount of signal attenuation from earth-based telescopes.
I don't believe that Harvard U. is affiliated any way with NASA,
unless
there is some connection with GPS systems used for time-stamped
data, but that seems too trivial to be an issue.
American