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Space Forum / Astronomy / July 2008What if (on Space Dust)
What if space dust is the rocks of our solar system? This begs the questions Where did it come from? Answer supernova explosions? Was it a part of the original accretion disk that created the Sun (Maybe??) Was there a good reason for this dust to create big rocks? Reason was great heat. Can we clearly see clouds of this dust? I'm looking at one as I type that could circle our Milky Way I'm looking at the galaxy NGC 5866 it clearly shows a dark lane of dust,and that galaxy is 40 million LY away. That tells me that dust is thick. Looking at galaxy NGC 2787 I can count 7 circular dust rings from its center to its outer fringe. I wonder if this galaxy has the most dust rings? Well like to post more on space dust,but don't know or think about it. Still to sum this post up We came from space dust,and will turn to dust It fits and is all part of natures balancing act Best to keep in mind our Sun is close to the Milky Ways dust ring,and that is a good reason for us being here Bert > What if space dust is the rocks of our solar system? This begs the > questions Where did it come from? Answer supernova explosions? Was it a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > to the Milky Ways dust ring,and that is a good reason for us being here > Bert Why is there dirt on the ground? It is just there. The question is whether we may collide with it upon our interplanetary journeys. I think not: I think if you approach light speed, your mass goes up, and so you are not of the same frequency as the interplanetary debris, and it passes right through your ship unaffected. The UFOs are here somehow, right? Mark UFO are far out thinking at best. Surviving space dust going even slower than 'c' is a killer. Like I posted these rings of dust seen at 40 million LY away have to be very dense. Best to keep in mind if space was full of electrons space ships would be big capacitor,and you can't live inside a capacitor Seems I can relate space dust to the Moon's dust,and even have it sticky Go figure Bert During thunderstorms we do, BEERTbrain! lmao! Saul Levy >Mark UFO are far out thinking at best. Surviving space dust going even >slower than 'c' is a killer. Like I posted these rings of dust seen at >40 million LY away have to be very dense. Best to keep in mind if space >was full of electrons space ships would be big capacitor,and you can't >live inside a capacitor Seems I can relate space dust to the Moon's >dust,and even have it sticky Go figure Bert Cactus Saul Planes going through all that EM energy(lightning storms) find it very hazardous. Good reason for that NYC crash about 6 years ago. Plane gas tanks can act like a capacitor. This begs the question How do you ground an aluminum plane going through all those free electons and ions? Bert Faraday cage! Saul Levy >Cactus Saul Planes going through all that EM energy(lightning storms) >find it very hazardous. Good reason for that NYC crash about 6 years >ago. Plane gas tanks can act like a capacitor. This begs the >question How do you ground an aluminum plane going through all those >free electons and ions? Bert Bert sed : >Planes going through all that EM >energy(lightning storms) find it very >hazardous. Good reason for that NYC >crash about 6 years ago. Plane gas >tanks can act like a capacitor. This >begs the question How do you ground an >aluminum plane going through all those >free electons and ions? Bert, check this out (your webbie rig will show the still pic but won't play the stop-motion sequences) - http://www.crh.noaa.gov/pub/ltg/plane_japan.php The metal shell of the plane acts like a car body if it's hit by lightning, electrically protecting whatever's inside. Good ol' Boeing there. Hafta wonder about all the new plastic/composite krap that planes are now being made of. And the crash of that Air France Airbus in Toronto during a lightning storm, when the plane experienced an electrical blackout while trying to land. oc Car is sitting on the ground. 2 million volts in that static electricity is tricky stuff. I think its good when planes get up high and have thunder clouds below. Lots of wiring in a big plane. I'm not worried about its outer skin. I'm worried about a gap creating a spark to jump across Electricity creates high temp Bert Another CRACKPOT theory, Mark! lmao! Saul Levy >I think not: I think if you approach light speed, your mass goes up, and so >you are not of the same frequency as the interplanetary debris, and it >passes right through your ship unaffected. Earth is not a big rock, or perhaps not even a collection of big rocks. Earth is still at least 98.5% fluid, if not 99% fluid. How fluid is Selene/moon or Mars? Earth is more like a black dwarf that has a thin crust and a few drops of salty water here and there. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth > What if space dust is the rocks of our solar system? This begs the > questions Where did it come from? Answer supernova explosions? Was it a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > to the Milky Ways dust ring,and that is a good reason for us being here > Bert > Earth is not a big rock, or perhaps not even a collection of big > rocks. Earth is still at least 98.5% fluid, if not 99% fluid. > > How fluid is Selene/moon or Mars? Even a perfectly dry rock pile, if its total mass is great enough, will fall or 'crumble' into a sphere by self-gravitation. The dry aggregate behaves `as if` it were a giant drop of liquid, hence is said to be in hydrostatic equilibrium. What if the very first dust in space was Buckyballs? It fits Bert > What if the very first dust in space was Buckyballs? It fits Bert The first dust was likely photons (aka black holes with antimatter cores) w/o photons, those Buckyballs or even black holes couldn't exist. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth To ya All Cosmic dust is a hazard to our great telescopes . Bert Um, what hazard is that, BEERTbrain? lmao! The ones I worked with just got a mirror washing every few years. And, if needed, realuminizing. I worked with telescope mirrors from 16" to 158". Saul Levy >To ya All Cosmic dust is a hazard to our great telescopes . Bert Cactus Saul Its a optical hazard. We cant see the center of our galaxy because cosmic dust is blocking our view. We get information from our bright galaxy core in inferred,Xray and radio photons. We look at Andromeda and relate it visually with the Milky Way Go figure Bert Cactus saul That is nice you worked with a 158 inch mirror. To see the foot prints made by Neil Armstrong on the moon we would need a mirror half a mile across Bert Reality is stars need space dust to give gravity a push(oc) so hydrogen can be compressed with a greater gravitational force to get things started Bert Cool article on asteroid shapes - http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20080703/sc_space/strangeasteroidshapesexplained oc Webtv could not get in Still no two asteroids are the same. Looking at Ida and gaspra they look alike,but then there is Mathilde and she is more round. oc why are most shaped like a Idaho potato? Bert Here's the text of the article, Bert -- "The asteroids that pepper our solar system come in all shapes, sizes and ages. What causes such a variety among space rocks has been something of a mystery, until now. "Researchers have been using a vast database to study a staggering 11,735 asteroids. They have discovered that asteroids change shape over time, and they think they know the reason why. "Gyula Szab of the University of Szeged [Hungary] is the lead author of the study, which was published in the July edition of Icarus. He explains, "There are several hundred thousand asteroids in our solar system. They orbit the sun, but because they are small their surface gravity is low. This means that many have strange, irregular shapes." "Scientists like Gyula think that about one third of known asteroids belong to groups called "families." These clusters probably formed from piles of debris after larger objects collided. "Determining the shapes of these asteroids presented difficulties for Gyula and his colleague Laszlo Kiss from the University of Sydney. The most accurate data about asteroids comes from spacecraft fly-bys, but only a few asteroids have been examined that way. Radar observations can only be made of objects that get close to the Earth. Telescopes produce detailed images, but only for the largest asteroids. "Another option for obtaining information about asteroids is called "time-resolved photometry." The technique is surprisingly simple: By observing asteroids as they spin in space and then studying the amount of light reflected, scientists can get an idea of their shape. Getting accurate results from this method can take a long time, but the researchers realised that digital sky surveys could speed up the process. Such projects study thousands of objects every night. The Sloan Digital Sky Survey, for instance, mainly looks at stars and galaxies, but it also has gathered data on asteroids. "This procedure was very economical," says Gyula. "Using photometry, astronomers have determined shapes for about 1,200 asteroids in the past 30 to 40 years. We derived the shapes for ten times more asteroids, but in half an hour!" "The results were really surprising," says Gyula. "We saw there were families that included many elongated asteroids, and there were other ones which consisted of mostly spheroidal bodies." "In young groups of asteroids there are a great variety of shapes, hinting that they formed relatively recently from fragments of rock that later bound together. Asteroids in older families tend to be rounder. It seems to take one billion to two billion years for irregular asteroids to be transformed into smooth balls. "But what changes the asteroids' shape? Gyula and his team have shown that asteroids change shape from elongated to roughly spherical due to being impacted during their lifetimes. They are like pebbles on the beach that become worn smooth over many years -- only in space, erosion is caused by small impacts as rocks knock into each other and chip pieces off. "Impact specialist Jonti Horner from the UK's Open University agrees with Gyula. "The results make sense," he says. "Catastrophic impacts create a huge slew of fragment shapes, like the shards of a broken bottle. The debris then are weathered over time and smoothed towards sphericality by small impacts." "Impacts are part of the fundamental processes in our solar system. They were part of the planet formation process 4.5 billion years ago, and still occur today. "Sometimes astronomers have to be archeologists, too," says Gyula. "This work is a fine example of how we can deduce a billion-year process from the world we observe today." "Hopefully, this research will not only teach us more about how the solar system operates, but will help us prepare for future impact events. Learning all we can about asteroids could help us avoid disaster if we ever detect a large, fast-moving one on a collision course with the Earth. oc I'm always thanking you for going out of your way to give me information. I've made a print out of your asteroid post Idaho potatoes seem to be their most familiar shape. The two Mars moons show that clearly,and we should put a camera on Phobos its the biggest and closest. Looking at its picture as I type it is covered with craters,and the dust inside these craters tells me all this happened billions of years ago. Fact is one crater called "Strickney" is 6 miles across "WOW " That has to be the biggest crater in proportion to size It is half the size of Phobos. Thought just jumped in Maybe my meteorite is a piece of that collision?? Mathilde is rather round so it should be older than elongated asteroids?? Read that if you added up all the asteroids they would only be one-twentieth of the mass of our Moon. That asteroid belt is very sparse.You really can't see another asteroid if you sat out there on one for your entire lifetime Go figure Bert The Idaho potato maker was working overtime, BEERTbrain? lmao! Saul Levy >oc Webtv could not get in Still no two asteroids are the same. Looking >at Ida and gaspra they look alike,but then there is Mathilde and she is >more round. oc why are most shaped like a Idaho potato? Bert Cactus saul Glad your nose is of normal size. To bad your ego is not of normal size. Still your an astronomer and should be able to figure out the reason most asteroids have a Idaho potato shape??? Bert > Cactus saul Glad your nose is of normal size. To bad your ego is not of > normal size. Still your an astronomer and should be able to figure out > the reason most asteroids have a Idaho potato shape??? Bert A pile of rocks is seldom formed into a nice sphere, especially when the density of such space rocks are not exactly the same. A million little ice cubes of one cm3 each could have been released on the dark/shaded side of Earth LEO, but then we still have no such real science of what such mutual gravity combined sphere of ice would do in space. Water or any fluid of purity (such as mercury or even LRn) should formulate into a nearly ideal sphere until solar illuminated makes it vanish like an explosion of rocket fuel. A Zionist/Nazi like Saul isn't ever going to share the whole truth and nothing but the truth, it's not within their incest cloned nature. You will never be given a gram of credit or respect as long as their New World Order is in charge of your private parts. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Rather weird reply, isn't it, BradBoi? lmfjao! Saul Levy >> Cactus saul Glad your nose is of normal size. To bad your ego is not of >> normal size. Still your an astronomer and should be able to figure out [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Cactus Saul All rock planets are covered with fine dust. Mars Mercury,asteroids Moon and comets large or small have this common feature. Space dust on the Earth's surface created organic soil. Worms and clams go very far back. Man is distroying the worms and clams That is not good Bert To Ya All Could the very tiniest space dust be buckyballs? I have two theories that beg that question Bert > Cactus Saul All rock planets are covered with fine dust. Mars > Mercury,asteroids Moon and comets large or small have this common > feature. Space dust on the Earth's surface created organic soil. Worms > and clams go very far back. Man is distroying the worms and clams That > is not good Bert Our physically dark as coal moon is also electrostatic charged to perhaps a teravolt in relationship to Earth, plus it certainly has more than enough gravity and but hardly any atmosphere that makes for cosmic and local dust collecting so much easier. Those few public accessible JAXA/Selene images and other science is what proves this out, that our Selene/moon is extremely dusty to the tune of being tens of meters deep in most places. Only of sufficiently vertical sloped terrain isn't thick dust covered. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Your statements here are BULLSHIT, BradBoi! lmfjao! When lunar landers landed there would have been SEVERE problems caused by all that static electricity. Since no such occurred, there is no GIANT charge difference between the Earth and Moon. The extremely dusty Moon is an old wive's tale that many lunar landings have shown to be wrong. The Moon is covered by a thin layer of dust. Not meters deep at all. You made this sh.t up too, CRACKPOT! Or did your alien Borg friends on Venus tell you this sh.t? Do the Borg whisper to you in your sleep? BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Saul Levy >Our physically dark as coal moon is also electrostatic charged to >perhaps a teravolt in relationship to Earth, plus it certainly has [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Not my topic, BEERTbrain! I worked on binary stars. Saul Levy >Cactus saul Glad your nose is of normal size. To bad your ego is not of >normal size. Still your an astronomer and should be able to figure out >the reason most asteroids have a Idaho potato shape??? Bert > > Earth is not a big rock, or perhaps not even a collection of big > > rocks. Earth is still at least 98.5% fluid, if not 99% fluid. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > aggregate behaves `as if` it were a giant drop of liquid, hence is > said to be in hydrostatic equilibrium. That's true enough, but still most of Earth is essentially a hot fluid with only a thin soccer ball like crust to the likes of a relatively tough old orb like Selene. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Still looks an awful lot like a ROCK, BradBoi! lmfjao! I went out today and NOTHING SQUISHED below my feet! Your statement is STILL BULLSHIT! Saul Levy >Earth is not a big rock, or perhaps not even a collection of big >rocks. Earth is still at least 98.5% fluid, if not 99% fluid. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth You look at too many galaxies (pictures), BEERTbrain! lmao! And you aren't an astronomer. What you get is just like WartPiggy reading from religious texts. Saul Levy >What if space dust is the rocks of our solar system? This begs the >questions Where did it come from? Answer supernova explosions? Was it a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >to the Milky Ways dust ring,and that is a good reason for us being here >Bert Cactus Saul Its my universe in my spacetime. I'm not an astronomer like you but I have 20 20 vision. The universe created me so it could see itself and understand its self I have not let it down Best to keep in mind Saul we are all made of space dust Bert So what, BEERTbrain? lmao! My vision is now 20/20 and 20/30. So what? More like your parents created you. The Universe had nothing to do with it, nor does it care! Saul Levy >Cactus Saul Its my universe in my spacetime. I'm not an astronomer like >you but I have 20 20 vision. The universe created me so it could see >itself and understand its self I have not let it down Best to keep in >mind Saul we are all made of space dust Bert Cactus Saul You are very short sighted I would like to say you can't see further than your nose,but having a Jewish nose it does not fit. Go figure Happy 4th at the Pink Sandal cowboy bar in red hot Tucson the heart of global warming Bert I don't have a BIG JEWISH NOSE, BEERTbrain! lmao! I have my mother's nose which is of normal size. If there was global warming here, it would now be 120 degrees F. It isn't. Saul Levy >Cactus Saul You are very short sighted I would like to say you can't >see further than your nose,but having a Jewish nose it does not fit. >Go figure Happy 4th at the Pink Sandal cowboy bar in red hot Tucson the >heart of global warming Bert > Cactus Saul You are very short sighted I would like to say you can't > see further than your nose,but having a Jewish nose it does not fit. > Go figure Happy 4th at the Pink Sandal cowboy bar in red hot Tucson the > heart of global warming Bert Any reply to Saul Levy is the exact same as a reply offered to his Zionist puppet Hitler or GW Bush. What otherwise would you expect? - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth > What if space dust is the rocks of our solar system? This begs the > questions Where did it come from? Answer supernova explosions? Was it a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > to the Milky Ways dust ring,and that is a good reason for us being here > Bert Cosmic and Oort cloud space dust coming our way at even 30+ km/s will essentially rip your face off, as well as your butt unless there's a substantial amount of atmosphere surrounding your face and butt. Being located on our naked moon that's also attracting space dust via gravity and being multi teraVolt electrostatic charged is not actually a wise kind of place to be EVA moonsuit walking about while continually passing through the lethal gauntlet of space dust, not to mention the secondary/recoil worth of IR, local gamma, X-rays and halo CME boosted solar wind that's chuck full of what our frail DNA doesn't like. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth |
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