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Space Forum / Astronomy / July 2008Water on Mars
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080620/ap_on_sc/phoenix_mars O.K., BEERTbrain, what is it then? lmao! Saul Levy Cactus Saul Best you realize NASA is a Mafia controlled gov agency. It lies and steals Like the executive branch(Bush) and both FBI and CIA I posted they would say they found water. They only say they have found ice,and don't even say its ice water Go figure Bert > Cactus Saul Best you realize NASA is a Mafia controlled gov agency. It > lies and steals Like the executive branch(Bush) and both FBI and CIA > I posted they would say they found water. They only say they have > found ice,and don't even say its ice water Go figure Bert Bert, from the article... "The Phoenix spacecraft exposed bright white crumbs at the bottom of a trench while digging near Mars' north pole earlier this week. The bits disappeared in new photos sent back on Thursday, convincing scientists that the magic act was evidence of ice that vaporized after being exposed to the sun." ...and... "Scientists had debated whether the chunks were salt or ice, but settled on frozen water since salt would not disappear." So the astronomers are definitely calling it "frozen water". happy days and... starry starry nights!  SignatureIndelibly yours, Paine Ellsworth P.S.: Thank YOU for reading! P.P.S.: http://painellsworth.net Painius If NASA says the white stuff is water because it did a disappearing act That begs the question Is that a good test. I can think of lots of better tests,and you can too. Best to keep in mind NASA is run by Godfather appointed politicians,and they seldom tell the truth Where Cactus Saul lives they have lots of mirages,and they are created by water. Next thing the Phoenix will find is a mirage It all fits We need an new honest NASA When NASA finally admits there is no surface water up in the Mars north pole they will spend billions going to the south pole. They will con the public by saying water runs down hill and ends up in the south. Oh ya Bert > Painius If NASA says the white stuff is water because it did a > disappearing act That begs the question Is that a good test. I can [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > will spend billions going to the south pole. They will con the public > by saying water runs down hill and ends up in the south. Oh ya Bert Clearly our DARPA Zionist/Nazi cartel of hocus-pocus conditional physics and of evidence exclusion is still in charge of squeezing our private parts and the taking of our hard earned loot for their benefit. Their intellectual and science cartel is clearly taking us to the cleaners in a very faith-based kind of failsafe way. Keeping us village idiots as snookered and dumbfounded as possible is their priority No.1. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Wrong, BEERTbrain, mirages are caused by layers of air at different temperatures. You're still losing it! Saul Levy >Painius If NASA says the white stuff is water because it did a >disappearing act That begs the question Is that a good test. I can [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >will spend billions going to the south pole. They will con the public >by saying water runs down hill and ends up in the south. Oh ya Bert Cactus Saul Air layers are good but those layers are using some moisture to reflect back a wavy image. We just might be both right and Saul that's a first. bert BULLSHIT, you old fool! No water is needed. Saul Levy >Cactus Saul Air layers are good but those layers are using some moisture >to reflect back a wavy image. We just might be both right and Saul >that's a first. bert Cactus saul As dry as the air is in Arizona best you know it has moisture in it. Bert It's getting moister, BEERTbrain! The monsoon is coming! Saul Levy >Cactus saul As dry as the air is in Arizona best you know it has >moisture in it. Bert > Cactus Saul Best you realize NASA is a Mafia controlled gov agency. It > lies and steals Like the executive branch(Bush) and both FBI and CIA > I posted they would say they found water. They only say they have > found ice, and don't even say its ice water Go figure Bert It's actually a Zionist/Nazi DARPA gov agency (aka MI5/CIA~MIB). - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth To ya all (Florida talk) I know this to be reality. Mars having only 1% Earth's atmosphere means the Sun's inferred rays break water molecules into its two elements,and that is the reason no water molecules have ever been found on Mars surface. Underground water does not have this problem. NASA has to start drilling down. NASA has to stop coning the public. NASA has to go with good science. NASA has to stop stealing Bert > To ya all (Florida talk) I know this to be reality. Mars having > only 1% Earth's atmosphere means the Sun's inferred rays break water [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > stop coning the public. NASA has to go with good science. NASA has to > stop stealing Bert Apparently their Phoenix spectrum analyzer has been broken, because if there was any trace of raw h2o ice near the surface or even 10+ meters underground would still have been easily spectrometer detected, as unavoidably escaping h2o vapors within that surface environment of such a near vacuum of less than 1% atmosphere. Clearly there is little if any residual geothermal core energy for making such h2o ice or hardly of sodium-chloride rich as salty ice into any fluid brine format, but even at that underground protection wouldn't have likely saved that kind of underground ice or brine from having easily sublimed itself away, all because even at 10+ meters underground it's still less than 1% atmosphere unless having been protected within geode pockets or some aquifer that's protected under a thick layer of solid bedrock. Of those robotic drilling applications may need to have 100+ meter depth capability, and loads of spare diamond bits for cutting through such tough bedrock, that which might be most accessible within the deepest of craters that would also offer slightly greater atmospheric pressure. It seems our DARPA / NASA and JPL wizards have been lying to us from the very get-go, as of nearly a half century. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth >> To ya all (Florida talk) I know this to be reality. Mars having >> only 1% Earth's atmosphere means the Sun's inferred rays break water [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth U know, just as easily as it [could] be water, it as well could be CO2 It too would evaporate and can be a solid as well.... but it's the 'hope' that it [is] water is the tell. I'm thinking it's likley to be CO2 rather than water. SignatureZyp > >> To ya all (Florida talk) I know this to be reality. Mars having > >> only 1% Earth's atmosphere means the Sun's inferred rays break water [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > -- > Zyp That's my deductive thinking as well. Perhaps 99.9% dry-ice or something other than frozen h2o. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Why do you suppose they are hiding our spectrometer readings? > > >> To ya all (Florida talk) I know this to be reality. Mars having > > >> only 1% Earth's atmosphere means the Sun's inferred rays break water [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > - Show quoted text - "[....] Some readers have asked, how do we know the white substance is not frozen CO2 (dry ice) instead of frozen water? Answer: Phoenix's landing site is too warm for dry ice. The average daily temperature is about -70 F while dry ice requires temperatures lower than about -109 F. [....] [Based on: http://spaceweather.com] - [T.D. - 06/22/08] ********* So what was it then? CO2? H2O? Or, something else? Any idea? Etznab > > > >> To ya all (Florida talk) I know this to be reality. Marshaving > > > >> only 1% Earth's atmosphere means the Sun's inferred rays break water [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Etznab (-70 F) That's cold enough for the less than 1% atmosphere to cause sufficient evaporation cooling within that mostly dry-ice frozen tundra. That's roughly 14.4 psi differential between deep surface and atmosphere. Isn't natural refrigeration a wonderful thing. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080620/ap_on_sc/phoenix_mars > > O.K., BEERTbrain, what is it then? lmao! > > Saul Levy Let's see, on the Red Planet, we now have dirt, water and carbon dioxide... ...all primary ingredients for PLANT LIFE. Strange plant life, with all the iron in the dirt, but life just the same. > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080620/ap_on_sc/phoenix_mars > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ...all primary ingredients for PLANT LIFE. > Strange plant life, with all the iron in the dirt, but life just the same. No clear objective sign of h2o, or of sea-salts. Go figure. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth >> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080620/ap_on_sc/phoenix_mars >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No clear objective sign of h2o, or of sea-salts. Go figure. Definitely no sign of water, other than the 10,000s of miles of water-carved channels and gulleys on the surface. > - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth > >> "Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Definitely no sign of water, other than the 10,000s of miles of water-carved > channels and gulleys on the surface. Once upon a time (a billion or more years ago) possibly fresh water, or perhaps any number of other liquid substances, such as found on Titan as having those pesky channels and gulleys. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth >> >> "Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > or perhaps any number of other liquid substances, such as found on > Titan as having those pesky channels and gulleys. OK, genius, since Mars is on the outer fringes of the "Goldilocks Zone", the temperature is about 50C colder than on Earth. What "liquid substances", other than water, do you suggest had free reign on Mars, to created all those very much Earth like channels and gulleys, and what happened to it ?? > Time to remove my pate from my sphincter, > http://www.humoronline.com/weird-news/head-up-ass.html >- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth >>> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080620/ap_on_sc/phoenix_mars >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Definitely no sign of water, other than the 10,000s of miles of > water-carved channels and gulleys on the surface. Sure, on Mars it seems if the water were there more than a short while ago, the wind would have surely eroded away all the canyons and obtrusions. So, water must have been there very recently. Maybe we just need the right chemical reaction to bring the water back. And...the water is there at the poles...we just saw ice crystals melt before our very eyes... >> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080620/ap_on_sc/phoenix_mars >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No clear objective sign of h2o, or of sea-salts. Go figure. I just saw it on the news. They said the ice was water ice. > >> "Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I just saw it on the news. They said the ice was water ice. Sadly they were mistaken, as in totally mistaken. More correctly, they were knowingly lying by way of their having been excluding the gamma and other spectrometer evidence as showing not one molecule worth of h2o. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth >> >> "Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Maby, then, the Martian water has not only evaporated, but also phased out, so that it was longer even there, until such time as it again phases in. Could keep a lot of critters shy of cameras down under the surface as they go for Martian Gourmet experiences caused by the water and the food it produced for them out of the water and dirt. And...these plant martians must be pretty intelligent...to go to all that, as the orchestra of musical and surely artistic life. > >> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > And...these plant martians must be pretty intelligent...to go to all that, > as the orchestra of musical and surely artistic life. Apparently the Phoenix spectrum analyzer has been broken, because there's no official words or any of those hard numbers of its science extracted from those initial soil samples. Of course there also no science on record of raw h2o ice existing/coexisting at 1AU space, such as easily obtained within the moon's L1 or even as test flown outside of ISS. BTW, of whatever Mars life will also have to be rad hard, unless residing meters deep underground. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth >> >> "Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Brad, do you need a license to talk through your a.shole ?? Just wondering .... > >> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Brad, do you need a license to talk through your a.shole ?? > Just wondering .... No, butt obviously you and others of your infowar spewing disinformation kind need your DARPA approved toilet paper each time you contribute whatever mainstream status quo damage-control on their behalf. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth >> >> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > you contribute whatever mainstream status quo damage-control on their > behalf. Again, Brad, do you need a license to talk through your a.shole ?? DARPA ?? You've been reading AssLexa's drivel far too long .. >>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080620/ap_on_sc/phoenix_mars >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I just saw it on the news. They said the ice was water ice. And, if you all remember, the Earth was once a planet with a high pressure atmosphere of CO2. It took undersea single cell anibas? to create the oxygen we so enjoy today. What was it? Some 3.7 million years ago? I'm just trying to remember.... the creation of earth... SignatureZyp >>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080620/ap_on_sc/phoenix_mars >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > And, if you all remember, the Earth was once a planet with a high pressure > atmosphere of CO2. But can you have CO2 without animals to produce it? It is an intricate ecosystem, you know. > >>>> "Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > But can you have CO2 without animals to produce it? It is an intricate > ecosystem, you know. Are you suggesting that animals came first, then we got our CO2? (I don't think so) Venus has more than it's fair share of CO2 and S8 below that thick clouded soup of an acidic wet upper atmosphere, and as far as we know there's not many if hardly any Venusian animals. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth >> >>>> "Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Are you suggesting that animals came first, then we got our CO2? (I > don't think so) No, more likely animals and plants came at the same time, since one can hardly live without the other. Still, to me, the presence of CO2 means the exhaust of animal breath. > Venus has more than it's fair share of CO2 and S8 below that thick > clouded soup of an acidic wet upper atmosphere, and as far as we know > there's not many if hardly any Venusian animals. Not life as we know it anyway. Were you expecting mammals and trees? There could be real creatures that thrive in Venus' conditions. Reality is Mars was hit by comets(more than Earth) Mars has the largest volcano in the solar system. Both of these could have given Mars some water to its surface. Good science tells us it could not create rivers or gullies. It was spread out and did not stay around for long enough to do erosion. Mars was always sandy,and always had sand storms. We saw St Helen explode and trillions of tons of fine dust circle the Earth. Can you imagine what was happening when Mars had its volcanoes erupting? It covered its surface with iron dust. Iron corrodes red Bert >>> >>>> "Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> Are you suggesting that animals came first, then we got our CO2? (I >> don't think so) Well something had to piss it out... Just kiddin. :) > No, more likely animals and plants came at the same time, since one can > hardly live without the other. Smaller scale I imagine. Plants no bigger than moss to begin with and life no bigger than cellular but then again at what point to they evolve enough to be plant or animal. > Still, to me, the presence of CO2 means the exhaust of animal breath. Carbon only come from animals? >> Venus has more than it's fair share of CO2 and S8 below that thick >> clouded soup of an acidic wet upper atmosphere, and as far as we know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Were you expecting mammals and trees? > There could be real creatures that thrive in Venus' conditions. in the deep deep depths of the erths oceans there are environments that are reminiscent of the environment on that pressure cooker we know as venus and in those depths of the oceans there is life, plant life so perhaps on venus there may be something too if not for all the lightening that is. :) > >>> "Saul Levy" <saulle...@cox.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > -- > Zyp Once upon a time Earth had at least ten fold as much magnetosphere, and 100 bar of mostly hot CO2 and S8 to deal with. Trillions upon trillions of silica diatoms were originally and still are essential for co2-->co/o2, as well as for sustaining life as we know it. Too bad we're losing them nifty diatoms at about twice the rate as we're losing our magnetosphere. Thus far no Mars water, not nearly enough Mars salt, and not so much as one silica diatom (DM) shell or skeleton in sight. How much older than Earth is Mars? - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Zyp Nice post and saw what you posted on History channel last night. The Earth atmosphere was just about all CO2. Mars atmosphere is 95% CO2, Finding frosty CO2 at the north pole is what should be expected especially on top. The other atmosphere elements Mars has is nitrogen 2.7% Argon 1.6% other 0.7% Best to keep in mind no oxygen Zyp because Mars never had flowing water on its surface. NASA knows there is no interest in CO2 or money funded for it. Water can create life and there is money in coning the public into thinking about Mars having surface water. I have a drill bit that can test for water as it goes down. Its simple little chance of failure,and very cheap. NASA would hate it Bert > Zyp Nice post and saw what you posted on History channel last night. > The Earth atmosphere was just about all CO2. Mars atmosphere is 95% CO2, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > down. Its simple little chance of failure,and very cheap. NASA would > hate it Bert That's true, as at best Mars had was flowing muds and lava to contend with, although once upon a time Mars had a usable magnetosphere and likely some degree of surface swamp like fresh waters near it's summer equator. Mars was at best a mostly mineral cesspool with few if any types of complex life, all of which having long since turned to vacuum freeze dried and cosmic irradiated dust. The 100 meter capable drill should do the trick of finding water, or possibly Mars gas (other than CO2), but only if starting off within the deepest of craters. Best pockets worth test drilling for can be mapped via our existing gamma spectrometer and of surface penetrating radars. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Now that we Know Mars had some big asteroid hits say 3.5 billion years ago its possible that is the reason for so little magnetisim. We know a hammer blow can destroy a magnet. We know heat can destroy a magnet. We now know Mars has been hit hard,and that too can create heat Good science means Mars never ever had water lakes or streams. Only NASA with Water on its brain will argue this. Go figure bert > Now that we Know Mars had some big asteroid hits say 3.5 billion years > ago its possible that is the reason for so little magnetisim. We know a > hammer blow can destroy a magnet. We know heat can destroy a magnet. We > now know Mars has been hit hard,and that too can create heat Good > science means Mars never ever had water lakes or streams. Only NASA with > Water on its brain will argue this. Go figure bert Mars could have been hit by an icy proto-moon, possibly by the same icy proto-moon that eventually smacked into Earth. - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth |
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