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The mutual tidal radius of Sol~Sirius = ?

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BradGuth - 16 May 2008 22:18 GMT
Would you believe 12 light years.

If our Oort Cloud radius is worth as great as 2 ly, and the Sirius
Oort Cloud becomes worth 6 ly (each distorted by a conservative factor
of 1.5 towards one another = 12)

More than likely it's worth 2x combined Oort Cloud radius = 16 ly.

Sorry about that.
. - Brad Guth
Uncle Al - 16 May 2008 22:56 GMT
> Would you believe 12 light years.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Sorry about that.
> . - Brad Guth

Meaningless drivel.   Tell us some more how the "face on Mars" is a
super-civilization of hyper-intelligent corn dogs with solid gold
sticks in a perpetual war with sequined funnel cakes.

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BradGuth - 17 May 2008 01:27 GMT
> > Would you believe 12 light years.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> super-civilization of hyper-intelligent corn dogs with solid gold
> sticks in a perpetual war with sequined funnel cakes.

I’m impressed as hell, that you're going on record as saying there is
no such orbital physics of tidal radius?

Does this complex tidal radius thing have to be carefully translated
into some kind of special Yiddish pop-up Zionism book format, or made
into a Viagra pill before it makes any good sense to your faith-based
nayism mindset?
. - Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 03 Jun 2008 01:10 GMT
Sounds like Uncle Al's on to something, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

Too bad he's NOT JEWISH!  lmao!

Saul Levy

>> > Would you believe 12 light years.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>nayism mindset?
>. - Brad Guth
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<Snip usual crap>

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Pat Flannery - 17 May 2008 11:53 GMT
> 1) Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of
>     skill.
>  2) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in
>      others.
> 3) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their
>     inadequacy.

Thank God you're here for all of us all, Aunty.
Your Metaluna-sized prefrontal lobes shall lead us all out of near
disaster...into a far better and far more logical world.
BTW, it's spelled "Auntie" :-D

Pat
Painius - 17 May 2008 13:01 GMT
> <Snip usual crap>
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>     to others work because they recognize their own incompetence and
>     stooooopidness.

Don't be so hard on yourself, dear Anty.  You will only
fail if you stop trying to attain the competence you so
fervently desire!

Strive for competence!

(In case you're wondering, your post was not competent.
Competence is usually too busy being competent to stoop
to the level of your post above.)

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Scott Hedrick - 17 May 2008 16:41 GMT
> Strive for competence!

Victory through senility!

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Saul Levy - 31 May 2008 02:53 GMT
Strive for INcompetence!  It's a lot easier, Paine!  lmao!

Especially for CRACKPOTS!  lmao!

Saul Levy

>> <Snip usual crap>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>Competence is usually too busy being competent to stoop
>to the level of your post above.)
Saul Levy - 31 May 2008 02:57 GMT
Well put, Al!  lmao!

As meaningless drivel, of course!  lmao!

Saul Levy

>> Would you believe 12 light years.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>super-civilization of hyper-intelligent corn dogs with solid gold
>sticks in a perpetual war with sequined funnel cakes.
BradGuth - 17 May 2008 15:02 GMT
> Would you believe 12 light years.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Sorry about that.
> . - Brad Guth

There actually isn't any limitation as to the tidal radius, unless
there's an expanding velocity that's exceeding the mutual grasp, or
something else comes along (such as a rogue star or black hole) with
enough gravity influence of its own to alter this orbital radius.

As of 8.6 years ago we've been heading back towards Sirius at 7.5 km/
s, of which this means our local rate of expansion or inflation has
not been sufficient to lose our mutual tidal track of one another.

It is clear enough that we've been expanding our elliptical trek from
early times of less than 25,000 years per cycle, to the present day
that's closer to 105,000 years (possibly this current cycle is running
as great as 110,000 years), so there's a good chance that at some
future time we'll not be associated with one another.  However, by
then we'll likely be getting nailed by our encounter with the
Andromeda galaxy.

Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
anything off-world that's other than inert eye-candy.
. - Brad Guth
www.freedomtofascism.com - 17 May 2008 15:09 GMT
>Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
>pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
>anything off-world that's other than inert eye-candy.

Even the atheists will be burned alive when Earth enters the vortex of the
Universe.

Every religion on Earth will perish when Earth is destroyed.
kT - 17 May 2008 15:12 GMT
> >Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
> >pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Every religion on Earth will perish when Earth is destroyed.

God is weird that way.
www.freedomtofascism.com - 17 May 2008 15:14 GMT
>> >Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
>> >pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>God is weird that way.

Do you still believe that your god will save your a.s?
kT - 17 May 2008 15:19 GMT
> >> >Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
> >> >pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Do you still believe that your god will save your a.s?

Well, since my god is nature, it's already saved my a.s, merely by
creating me. Right now I'm pinning my hopes on intelligent aliens.

If anybody can save me, they can. I'm guessing entropy will catch up
with me in the end, but one could always pin their hopes on brane
theory and/or exotic unknown physics. Those places probably have their
own superintelligent aliens as well, so one can always hope.

After a couple of hundred billion cosmoses or cosmii, or whatever, it
must get pretty boring. Nothingness is merely the extreme dilution of
everything, from my perspective. Of course, that requires something.
BradGuth - 17 May 2008 17:04 GMT
> > >> >Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
> > >> >pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Well, since my god is nature, it's already saved my a.s, merely by
> creating me. Right now I'm pinning my hopes on intelligent aliens.

That's by far our best hope, that smart enough and brave enough ETs
come to our rescue.

> If anybody can save me, they can. I'm guessing entropy will catch up
> with me in the end, but one could always pin their hopes on brane
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> must get pretty boring. Nothingness is merely the extreme dilution of
> everything, from my perspective. Of course, that requires something.

Perhaps we all belong back inside that black hole where we came from.
. - Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 02 Jun 2008 06:46 GMT
There aren't any E.T.s, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

That black hole must be where YOU came from, not the rest of us!
lmao!

Saul Levy

>That's by far our best hope, that smart enough and brave enough ETs
>come to our rescue.

>Perhaps we all belong back inside that black hole where we came from.
>. - Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 31 May 2008 02:41 GMT
You have a mighty LONG WAIT, kt.  lmfjao!

Aliens?  WHAT ALIENS?

Saul Levy

>Well, since my god is nature, it's already saved my a.s, merely by
>creating me. Right now I'm pinning my hopes on intelligent aliens.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>must get pretty boring. Nothingness is merely the extreme dilution of
>everything, from my perspective. Of course, that requires something.
Saul Levy - 31 May 2008 02:39 GMT
Religion is MEANINGLESS.  So is GOD actually!  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>> >Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
>> >pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>God is weird that way.
BradGuth - 17 May 2008 16:16 GMT
> >Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
> >pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Every religion on Earth will perish when Earth is destroyed.

Isn't that kind of the idea, when our Milky Way encounters the
Andromeda galaxy, or even that of a good sized rogue star or some
black hole from within our own galaxy should do the trick of taking us
out.
. - Brad Guth
Robert J. Kolker - 18 May 2008 00:01 GMT
> Isn't that kind of the idea, when our Milky Way encounters the
> Andromeda galaxy, or even that of a good sized rogue star or some
> black hole from within our own galaxy should do the trick of taking us
> out.

We are not going to be around that long. In a billion years the sun will
be burning its helium, it will be much hotter and the oceans will boil
away. Goodbye us.

Bob Kolker
BradGuth - 18 May 2008 01:03 GMT
> > Isn't that kind of the idea, when our Milky Way encounters the
> > Andromeda galaxy, or even that of a good sized rogue star or some
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Bob Kolker

What makes you think we'll outlast the next thousand years?
. - Brad Guth
Robert J. Kolker - 18 May 2008 01:19 GMT
> What makes you think we'll outlast the next thousand years?
> . - Brad Guth

High Hopes. Europe survived the collapse of Rome. The U.S. survived the
Civil War.  The only thing that will wipe out the human race is a cosmic
catastrophe (possible, but not likely), a humongous plague  or the
Mother of All Wars.

"Do you know what I find beautiful about humans? You are at your best
when things are at their worst" --- Starman

Bob Kolker
BradGuth - 18 May 2008 01:43 GMT
> > What makes you think we'll outlast the next thousand years?
> > . - Brad Guth
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> catastrophe (possible, but not likely), a humongous plague  or the
> Mother of All Wars.
Seems the pretend-atheist (aka Zionist) here in this anti-think-tank
of their profound nayism are in favor of bringing on "the Mother of
All Wars".

> "Do you know what I find beautiful about humans? You are at your best
> when things are at their worst" --- Starman
>
> Bob Kolker

Did you tell that to those dark-skinned Sephardi?

Ringworm and Radiation / by Barry Chamish
http://web.israelinsider.com/views/3998.htm

Besides all of their local background radiation that's far worse than
most, why not let them artificially irradiate themselves, exactly as
they had done before?

The international symbol of their DARPA/NASA looks exactly like a
Zionist penus on Viagra, as caught in the process of nailing their own
ringworm infested kind with enough gamma and X-rays to kill an
elephant.  Other than that, these are supposedly some kind of really
nice folks we have to live with.

Other than acquiring profits for the rich and powerful as derived from
wars (hot or cold), is there any good side to Zionism?

Here’s a really nifty one for _Unexplained Mysteries_ to help resolve,
as to why 100,000 children of the Jewish Sephardi race were
intentionally and very deliberately irradiated (many to death), and
none the less with the expertise and best technology that our American
government of DARPA could provide.  Of course we have been always
informed by our faith-based elders that our supposedly democratic
style of government hardly if ever makes mistakes or much less lies or
excludes evidence.  So, why has it taken better than a half century
for the truth to emerge, and then once emerged not given another
published word as to the following documentary work and film of
“Ringworm and Radiation” by Barry Chamish.

Perhaps those tinfoil hats that we investigative types are most always
associated with, whereas instead should have been handed out to those
Sephardi kids, before getting their dark Yiddish skin and brains
nuked.  Why is such ethnic cleaning via 36,000 fold of X-rays and
Gamma dosage acceptable,  and at the same time it’s too dark and scary
to ever set the record straight, as an example of what humanity is
willing to tolerate from certain faith-based groups that think they
are so extra/chosen special, and apparently above whatever common law
of human decency?

A cure for Jewish ringworms, my a.s.  I believe Jesus Christ was also
one of those dark skinned Jews, whereas perhaps his ringworms of that
era were supposedly cured by way of putting him on that stick, seems
to suggest there’s no limits as to what these kinds of faith-based
individuals will do onto others.

It seems without much question, we are still being ruled and otherwise
getting snookered and dumbfounded to death by those perverted sick
bastards of the faith-based kind (meaning those of your mostly white
Semitic DARPA kind).

Besides all the tens of millions exterminated by the old USSR policy
of ethnic and political cleansing (making Hitler look much like a
careless daycare provider), I’ve sort of known all along that Hitler
was somehow still alive and kicking, at the very least a better clone
of that sick bastard as going after those apparently inferior Jews was
in fact still with us, except this time cloaked by our very own
Semitic DARPA cult of mad scientists (same as Hitler’s little Third
Reich cache of physics and science smart helpers), plus those of our
DoD taking it out on 100,000 Sephardi (dark skinned) youths.  Why?
(because with our help and lack of remorse they could get away with
it).

Apparently, the elder Zionist Jews in charge of that somewhat recent
time were extremely racist, even of their own faith-based genetic
kind, not to mention what their puppet Hitler warlord accomplished,
and of their previous Roman partners in crimes against humanity having
placed Christ on that stick for yet another one of their precious
faith-based PR stunts.

Ringworm and Radiation / by Barry Chamish
http://web.israelinsider.com/views/3998.htm

I guess if you’re going to get rid of a supposed inferior race you
have to accomplish this from within your own kind, and you have to go
all the way so that there are few if any lose ends of that supposedly
defective DNA within your faith-based group, whereas the consequences
of such clearly chosen actions can then be systematically forgotten or
at least officially banished from public record of ever having
happened (similar to those efforts of covering up the USS LIBERTY
fiasco or claiming the other half to as much as two thirds of those
placed in concentration camps by Hitler as being Jewish).  It’s as
though turning a bad situation into a much worse looking and racist
kind of thing is what those in charge were not only capable of, but
having a long standing policy of doing to themselves from the very get
go.

No wonder I and so many others are being continually topic/author
stalked and bashed at every possible opportunity, regardless of the
intellectual and scientific values within the proper context of
whatever our research has turned up about our moon, Venus and even
that of the extremely nearby Sirius star/solar system that we’re
headed back towards at a fairly good velocity.  It’s just exactly the
same kind of mainstream infowar treatment as though worse than Hitler
were still in charge.
. - Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 02 Jun 2008 06:52 GMT
You really are a SICK sh.t, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

Is there any help available for you?

Saul Levy

>Did you tell that to those dark-skinned Sephardi?
>
[quoted text clipped - 92 lines]
>were still in charge.
> . - Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 02 Jun 2008 07:25 GMT
Does that mean:  NO DEATH FROM ABOVE?  lmfjao!

WartPiggy should take note!  lmao!

Saul Levy

>> What makes you think we'll outlast the next thousand years?
>> . - Brad Guth
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>catastrophe (possible, but not likely), a humongous plague  or the
>Mother of All Wars.

>Bob Kolker
Saul Levy - 02 Jun 2008 06:50 GMT
Making the last 1000 is a good sign, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>What makes you think we'll outlast the next thousand years?
>. - Brad Guth
Pat Flannery - 18 May 2008 03:01 GMT
> We are not going to be around that long. In a billion years the sun
> will be burning its helium, it will be much hotter and the oceans will
> boil away. Goodbye us.

Latest theory is that Earth will fall into the sun when it goes red giant.

Pat
The Ghost In The Machine - 18 May 2008 05:35 GMT
In sci.physics, Pat Flannery
<flanner@daktel.com>
wrote
on Sat, 17 May 2008 21:01:59 -0500
<Tr-dnYiTA9SCE7LVnZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@posted.northdakotatelephone>:

>> We are not going to be around that long. In a billion years the sun
>> will be burning its helium, it will be much hotter and the oceans will
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Pat

You're both wrong, though for different reasons. ;-)  As I
understand it, the Sun will gradually increase its output,
rendering the Earth uninhabitable after a billion years or
so (or maybe as low as 100 million; somewhere between the
two is more probable and certainly I won't be around ;-) ).
By the time Sol does bloat up, swallowing the Earth as it
does so, Earth will most likely be another Venus, or at
least covered in steam clouds.

One hopes we've developed interstellar travel well before
then, though that admittedly only postpones the inevitable.

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Fred J. McCall - 18 May 2008 07:35 GMT
:In sci.physics, Pat Flannery
:<flanner@daktel.com>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
:
:You're both wrong, though for different reasons. ;-)

This much is right.

:As I
:understand it, the Sun will gradually increase its output,
:rendering the Earth uninhabitable after a billion years or
:so (or maybe as low as 100 million; somewhere between the
:two is more probable and certainly I won't be around ;-) ).

Nope.  Not the way I learned it.  Stars the size of the Sun don't
'gradually' increase output.  They burn down hydrogen and start to
collapse as the heat generated in their cores decreases.  The Sun has
enough hydrogen left to remain in 'hydrogen burning' for another 5
billion years or so (not a billion years and not 100 million years).

As the core hydrogen is exhausted, the Sun will go into what is called
'shell hydrogen burning'.  The Sun will start to shrink as the output
is no longer enough to support the outer layers.  As it collapses,
temperatures outside the core will rise and hydrogen in a 'shell'
around the core will start to undergo fusion.  

The core is no longer producing energy and starts to collapse.
Meanwhile the shell burning adds more and more helium to the core as
the shell moves outward toward the surface of the Sun.  As the core
shrinks and increases in temperature and the shell hydrogen burning
adds more heat, the Sun's atmosphere will expand beyond the orbit of
Earth.

Yes, the fire this time...

As the Sun's core continues to shrink and its temperature increases,
it eventually reaches core temperatures that are hot enough to fuse
the helium, which the core is now rich in.

Just before this happens, the Sun's core will be about the size of
Earth and it's atmosphere, with a temperature of some 5,000 degrees C,
will extend out past the orbit of Earth or thereabouts.

When stars the size of the Sun transition to helium burning it is no
gradual thing.  They experience something called the helium flash.
Once it occurs the power output of the core and the temperature of the
core rise rapidly.  The core expands quickly, and the atmosphere of
the Sun will shrink back to around the orbit of Earth and increase in
temperature.

:By the time Sol does bloat up, swallowing the Earth as it
:does so, Earth will most likely be another Venus, or at
:least covered in steam clouds.

Nope.  Earth will get eaten.  All that will be left are the planets
past it.  Mars will wind up much like Mercury, if it survives at all.
The gas giants will be boiled down to their rocky cores.

:One hopes we've developed interstellar travel well before
:then, though that admittedly only postpones the inevitable.

We've only got another 5,000,000,000 years or so.  Better hurry and
buy your ticket now...

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BradGuth - 18 May 2008 13:22 GMT
> :In sci.physics, Pat Flannery
> :<flan...@daktel.com>
[quoted text clipped - 69 lines]
> We've only got another 5,000,000,000 years or so.  Better hurry and
> buy your ticket now...

In other words, all the orbital physics related to gravity or tidal
radius do not apply as the mass of our sun becomes less than half of
what it is now?

Where do I get a copy of that kind of conditional physics?
. - Brad Guth
Painius - 18 May 2008 20:44 GMT
>> :In sci.physics, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:
>> :on Sat, 17 May 2008 21:01:59 -0500
[quoted text clipped - 76 lines]
> Where do I get a copy of that kind of conditional physics?
> . - Brad Guth

Yes, well, they're all partly right and partly wrong, Brad,
even Fred, surprisingly.

The 2 issues here that are getting mixed up are the fate
of the Earth and the fate of life on Earth.  The billion-year
figure is presently accepted by science as correct for the
fate of life on Earth. The Sun is about 1/2 way through its
"life" cycle and each year gets a little brighter.  Science
now teaches that back when the Sun first fused to become
a full-fledged star, it was only about 75% as bright as it is
today. So in about a billion years, the Sun's brightness will
increase to the point that the oceans of Earth will dry up.
The hydrogen from all that water will escape into space.
Earth's biosphere will be no more.

The Sun, however, will continue to burn mostly hydrogen
for from 5 billion to 7.5 billion years from now. And at that
time, although the Sun does lose a minuscule amount of
mass (tiny as compared with its total mass) each year to
released energy and the solar wind, it will still be almost
the same mass as it is now.  When the hydrogen IN THE
CORE runs out, helium will begin to fuse into, uhm, carbon
IIRC. The outer surface of the Sun will continue to fuse lots
of hydrogen and will start to expand.  The insides of the
Sun will fall to gravity's great force and begin to collapse.
As the helium fusion gets going, the collapse will be briefly
fended off until the helium runs out.

Then the mass *really* is reduced, eventually (and PDQly)
the Sun's mass will be cut back to as low as 20% of what
it is now.  As this happens, the hydrogen fusing surface is
continuing to expand as our star becomes a "red giant".
Now there are two possibilities during this period as to the
fate of the Earth...

As the surface of the Sun expands and the innards collapse,
and as the mass of the Sun is reduced, the orbits of the
inner planets will quickly increase in diameter.  Mercury
and Venus will definitely be swallowed by the Sun's red
surface, for they will not zoom out quickly enough.  Mars
will almost assuredly escape being vaporized by the Sun's
surface, for it will shoot away like nobody's biznuss.  The
Earth's fate is kind of "up in the air", because some of the
astronomers i read believe Earth will shoot away in time
like Mars did, uhm, i mean "will", like Mars will.

Other astronomers think that Earth will not make it in
time and be vaporized like Mercury and Venus.  And this
is the preferred version.  This is probably how Earth will
end up.  And during the period between a billion years
from now and the final vaporization by our red-giant Sun,
Earth will spend some time being in a Venus-like state,
and then a Mercury-like state.

Then POOF!

So Brad, you're right about the orbital physics. When our
great Sun begins to quickly lose mass, the planets will
start to soar away from it!  And Mars, and maybe even
Earth, will zoom out fast enough and soon enough to at
least "survive" as dark cold hunks of huge rocks.

Jus' can't wait, can you?  <g>

As for our incredible Sun?  It's red giant surface will fade
out into what astronomers call a "planetary nebula".  If
you check APOD and search for this, you'll find several
images of existing planetary nebulas (or "nebulae" if you
so prefer).  The core of our Sun will keep collapsing until
it is about the diameter of the Earth.  It's density will, of
course, be much greater than Earth's.  Astronomers call
what the Sun will become at this point a "white dwarf"
star.  Eventually it will fade away into a "black dwarf".

And hopefully, we will all be enjoying a fantastic bottle
of imported beer...

...somewhere else.

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BradGuth - 19 May 2008 03:34 GMT
> >> :In sci.physics, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:
> >> :on Sat, 17 May 2008 21:01:59 -0500
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>
> ...somewhere else.

Thanks for all of that constructive feedback.  That's pretty much what
I figure too, although your expertise is a whole lot better than most,
especially better than mine.

Personally I think it's much sooner rather than later, with the energy
appetite of humanity at the future of having to support 1e10 souls
living large, as such isn't going to get us much past the next
thousand years unless we can stop killing off one another, at least
long enough to tap into the vast amounts of renewable, safe and clean
energy that's just about everywhere except in our SUV or BBJ tank.
. - Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 03 Jun 2008 17:33 GMT
Very unlikely, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>In other words, all the orbital physics related to gravity or tidal
>radius do not apply as the mass of our sun becomes less than half of
>what it is now?
>. - Brad Guth
The Ghost In The Machine - 19 May 2008 03:31 GMT
In sci.physics, Fred J  McCall
<fmccall@earthlink.net>
wrote
on Sat, 17 May 2008 23:35:11 -0700
<5giv24ts5rdpqt11ptotdkdmu4cn4pvq19@4ax.com>:

>:In sci.physics, Pat Flannery
>:<flanner@daktel.com>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> enough hydrogen left to remain in 'hydrogen burning' for another 5
> billion years or so (not a billion years and not 100 million years).

The increase in insolation as a star ages is AIUI a
well-known phenomenon, and in any event the burning
of the hydrogen is within an expanding shell outward.
This expanding shell increases in size as it burns.

It is possible that the shrinkage of the core compensates,
but I'd frankly have to look.

http://rainman.astro.uiuc.edu/ddr/stellar/archive/suntrackson.mpg

is a computer simulation, presumably based on current
stellar theory, of the Sun.  Note in particular the
increase (about 2x, though this simulation doesn't show
it very well) in luminosity *before* the exhaustion
of the hydrogen.

http://rainman.astro.uiuc.edu/ddr/stellar/index.html

gives more options if one is so minded.

That's about the limit of my knowledge of the matter; I'm
obviously parroting others here.

> As the core hydrogen is exhausted, the Sun will go into what is called
> 'shell hydrogen burning'.  The Sun will start to shrink as the output
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>
> Nope.  Earth will get eaten.

Yes, but before that the oceans will steam.  Not that it matters;
we're all doomed either way.

> All that will be left are the planets
> past it.  Mars will wind up much like Mercury, if it survives at all.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> We've only got another 5,000,000,000 years or so.  Better hurry and
> buy your ticket now...

We've got less than that.  But no matter; there are more
immediate concerns, such as the running out of fossilized
algae (oil) and, later on, fossilized peat moss (coal).

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BradGuth - 19 May 2008 04:11 GMT
On May 18, 7:31 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
<ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
> In sci.physics, Fred J  McCall
> <fmcc...@earthlink.net>
[quoted text clipped - 107 lines]
> immediate concerns, such as the running out of fossilized
> algae (oil) and, later on, fossilized peat moss (coal).

Supposedly there's enough thorium to go around (so to speak), and
otherwise with tapping into a multitude of renewable energy shouldn't
have any problems coming up with and sustaining 100 TW for the 1e10 of
energy consuming souls that this planet has to sustain, or else it's
WWIII, WWIV and if there's anything left for WWV.
. - Brad Guth
The Ghost In The Machine - 20 May 2008 03:58 GMT
In sci.physics, BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com>
wrote
on Sun, 18 May 2008 20:11:46 -0700 (PDT)
<9cd04d5b-88f6-4985-a658-db7ebf3f3478@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:
> On May 18, 7:31 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
> <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> on Sat, 17 May 2008 23:35:11 -0700
>> <5giv24ts5rdpqt11ptotdkdmu4cn4pv...@4ax.com>:

[snippage]

>> > We've only got another 5,000,000,000 years or so.  Better hurry and
>> > buy your ticket now...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> WWIII, WWIV and if there's anything left for WWV.
> . - Brad Guth

This is true; we could harvest the thorium from the Venusian L2 point.
:-)

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BradGuth - 20 May 2008 17:00 GMT
On May 19, 7:58 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
<ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
> In sci.physics, BradGuth
> <bradg...@gmail.com>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> This is true; we could harvest the thorium from the Venusian L2 point.
> :-)

That would be another interesting usage of the relatively cool L2 of
Venus.

However, I was thinking of purely terrestrial thorium, even though our
moon should offer another good cache of thorium as well a 3He and a
number of other nifty energy worthy elements.  All we need is having
my LSE-CM/ISS up and running, plus a whole slew of those rad-hard
robotics doing their mining and mineral processing operations on that
physically dark and nasty lunar surface.
. - Brad Guth
Androcles - 19 May 2008 11:30 GMT
| In sci.physics, Fred J  McCall
| <fmccall@earthlink.net>
[quoted text clipped - 107 lines]
| immediate concerns, such as the running out of fossilized
| algae (oil) and, later on, fossilized peat moss (coal).

You'll run out of forest first.

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Fred J. McCall - 19 May 2008 14:27 GMT
:| In sci.physics, Fred J  McCall
:| <fmccall@earthlink.net>
[quoted text clipped - 111 lines]
:
:You'll run out of forest first.

There's more forest now than there was a century ago.

You've obviously never heard of 'planting'...

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BradGuth - 19 May 2008 16:19 GMT
> :| In sci.physics, Fred J  McCall
> :| <fmcc...@earthlink.net>
[quoted text clipped - 120 lines]
>  territory."
>                                       --G. Behn

There is far less mature forest than before.  Little pick-sh.t starter
trees don't count, because it'll take a good half to full century
before those become viable trees that'll directly benefit the
environment if they are never harvested or die off from our acidic
polluted and bug infested environment.

Most trees are getting artificially fast grown so as to harvest within
a decade, so they don't account for much of anything other than
sustaining an artificial crop of pulp.  They might as well grow grass,
weeds or kelp.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth - 18 May 2008 13:16 GMT
On May 17, 9:35 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
<ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
> In sci.physics, Pat Flannery
> <flan...@daktel.com>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> One hopes we've developed interstellar travel well before
> then, though that admittedly only postpones the inevitable.

With a rather considerable loss in solar mass (at least half), what
the hell is left of the tidal radius keeping us and other planets
glued to our sun?

Sirius-B lost 4~5 solar mass from burning through its red giant
phase.  So. where did its planets go?
. - Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 03 Jun 2008 01:27 GMT
What planets did Sirius B have, BradBoi?  lmfjao!

You're making planets up now.  None were known before this.

You keep inventing new sh.t all the time lately.

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Saul Levy

>On May 17, 9:35 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
><ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>phase.  So. where did its planets go?
>. - Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 02 Jun 2008 07:25 GMT
That depends if the Universe ends in a big crunch!  lmao!

Otherwise, interstellar travel is the answer.

Saul Levy

>You're both wrong, though for different reasons. ;-)  As I
>understand it, the Sun will gradually increase its output,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>One hopes we've developed interstellar travel well before
>then, though that admittedly only postpones the inevitable.
Fred J. McCall - 18 May 2008 03:13 GMT
:> Isn't that kind of the idea, when our Milky Way encounters the
:> Andromeda galaxy, or even that of a good sized rogue star or some
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
:be burning its helium, it will be much hotter and the oceans will boil
:away. Goodbye us.

Rushing things a bit, aren't you?  Last time I looked at anything on
this subject, the 'helium flash' wasn't expected for another 5 billion
years, give or take.

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BradGuth - 23 May 2008 07:01 GMT
> :> Isn't that kind of the idea, when our Milky Way encounters the
> :> Andromeda galaxy, or even that of a good sized rogue star or some
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> "Rule Number One for Slayers - Don't die."
>                     -- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer

As Painius had to say, we're likely toast long before the "helium
flash".

Doesn't matter because, within the next thousand years there will be
hardly nothing of viable fossil fuels left (at any price) to go to war
over, and by then our magnetosphere isn't going to be worth half of
what it is today, thus either intelligent designed rad-hard DNA as our
plan-A, or having to live mostly underground or under our dead-zone
populated oceans is plan-B.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth - 02 Jun 2008 13:02 GMT
> > :> Isn't that kind of the idea, when our Milky Way encounters the
> > :> Andromeda galaxy, or even that of a good sized rogue star or some
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> populated oceans is plan-B.
> . - Brad Guth

Anyone else notice how our resident Zionist/Nazi Saul Levy has blown
another gasket.  It's kind of like DARPA going Usenet/newsgroup
postal.

Our resident bipolar BDK is also a born-again DARPA Zionist/Nazi, or
at the very least a brown-nosed minion of the extremely white Zionist/
Jewish kind that would knowingly treat those supposedly ringworm
infested dark-skinned Jewish kids with 36,000 fold gamma and X-ray
dosage.  Of course you and others like Warhol seem to not mind all
that much either, as long as it’sthe white  Zionist Jews killing off
other dark-skinned Jews, and not your good ship LOLLIPOP that’s
getting rocked.

Ringworm and Radiation / by Barry Chamish
http://web.israelinsider.com/views/3998.htm

The BDKs such as Art Deco and Saul Levy types of Usenet/newsgroups are
not few nor far between, and they always without exception insist that
they are Atheist that merely act and/or badly react exactly as though
Zionist/Jewish (aka Old Testament thumping) at heart.  It seems their
New World Order is just another ongoing extension or ultimate quest of
their pretend-Atheism, that which all the rest of us Village idiots
need to blindly follow, exactly like all the brown-nosed clowns having
to follow their Hitler or Bush, or else we'll suffer the consequences
as only they see fit.
. - . Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Saul Levy - 07 Jun 2008 22:53 GMT
My gaskets are doing just fine, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

Meanwhile, yours are rotten to the core like WartPiggy's gran'da'dy's
PLANK!

Same repeated meaningless DRIVEL from BradBoi!

Saul Levy

>Anyone else notice how our resident Zionist/Nazi Saul Levy has blown
>another gasket.  It's kind of like DARPA going Usenet/newsgroup
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>as only they see fit.
>. - . Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Saul Levy - 31 May 2008 02:56 GMT
Really, BradBoi, you should wait for one of the WartPiggy's disasters
to hit us!  lmfjao!

You will HAVE A VERY LONG WAIT as I've been saying for a long time
now!  lmao!

Saul Levy

>> >Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
>> >pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>out.
>. - Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 31 May 2008 02:52 GMT
Is that 8.6 year figure correct, BradBoi?  lmfjao!

What changed 8.6 years ago?  I see you're using the correct radial
velocity instead of that joke of a doubled figure you gave us before!
lmao!  The radial velocity sure didn't change 8.6 years ago.  lmao!
Do you also claim it changed?

Too bad the "orbital period" is NOW WRONG and HAS TO BE CHANGED TO
REFLECT THE CORRECT RADIAL VELOCITY!

You STILL DON'T GET IT, DO YOU?

This is now the THIRD DISCREPANCY in your knowledge of Sirius.  How
many more can you make?  As Hank has shown, there is room for MANY
MORE!  lmao!

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dealing with a CRACKPOT is a lot of fun, but not very useful.

Saul Levy

>As of 8.6 years ago we've been heading back towards Sirius at 7.5 km/
>s, of which this means our local rate of expansion or inflation has
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>anything off-world that's other than inert eye-candy.
>. - Brad Guth
BradGuth - 19 May 2008 16:48 GMT
This is merely a new and improved continuation of what I’d replied to
lord Timberwoof, in the topic of  “Earth w/o Moon / by Brad Guth”.

> Timberwoof:
> Show how the moon escaped the Sirius system (what is its escape
> velocity?), traveled here, got slowed by Jupiter, and then nudged the
> Earth so gently that there's zero evidence for the encounter ... and
> ended up in a circular orbit.

Getting an item of 7.5e22 kg away from the Sirius star/solar system is
a wee bit more complex for that mere paper and pencil (we might need a
good Abacus), especially testy if it includes the planet Venus.  After
all, I'm not Einstein, or of most anyone smarter than Einstein.

However, Sirius-B did as of not so long ago manage to lose upwards of
5 solar mass in its relatively quick red giant phase of turning itself
into that cute little white dwarf, and that's certainly representing
one hell of a lot of its tidal radius loss.

BTW, you (Timberwoof) have always had a very condescending way about
setting this one up for a fall.  Are you quite certain you're not a
Zionist/Nazi or DARPA spook/mole?

-

Let us say Sirius-B as having its planet Venus along with its 7.4e22
kg moon that were cruising along at 4~5 AU from Sirius-B, or perhaps
that of hosting another nearby planet of 7.4e22 kg was orbiting at 5~6
AU before the red giant phase, each obviously in their respective
elliptical orbits due to having that binary Sirius-A nearby.  Under
the best of conditions this was not exactly a good place for any
planet with its moon to be.

As Sirius-B had been giving off a terrific amount of solar wind and
thereby having lost a great deal of  mass, at the same time Sirius-A
managed to gain perhaps as much as one solar mass, and as our
relatively little and passive solar system was sort of nearby at the
critical time is when there became a mutual tidal radius opportunity
that did the trick of allowing a planet the likes of Venus and that of
a smaller rock the size and mass of our moon to migrate away from the
Sirius star/solar system.  Of course Earth could also have once upon a
time belonged to the Sirius star/solar system, but that’s altogether
another can of worms.

Along the interstellar migration away from Sirius and headed towards
Sol, it’s obviously a relatively cold and dark situation for the likes
of our proto-moon, and as a result of this long trek it unavoidably
picks up a great deal of ice as it migrated through the Sirius Oort
cloud and then having to pass though our icy Oort cloud, that which
makes the combined icy covered mass worth 7.5e22 kg that’s moving
through the interstellar L1 or IL1, perhaps by then having slowed down
to as little as 10 km/s.

Once past the IL1 and subsequently being overtaken entirely by the
tidal radius of our solar system is when the pull of gravity starts to
speed up this pair of Sirius items (Venus and  our proto-moon) as
being unavoidably pulled into the gravity well of good old Sol, as
well as getting safely past our big old Jupiter is a bit interesting.
The fact that we’re now back into our redshift as Sol migrates us away
from Sirius at perhaps 10 km/s is just adding complex fuel to this
migration fire (so to speak).

Perhaps the average interstellar velocity of this migration was only
worth 30 km/s, and quite possibly the minimum distance of one light
year would thereby represent the least amount of travel time for this
migration to have taken place.  However, this migration distance could
have been as great as 4 light years, or conceivably less than one
light year (say as little as 0.86 light year).  This is where the
fully 3D interactive orbital simulator and of its multi-CPU
supercomputer gets to earn its keep.

Setting up the various notions as to whatever Sirius-B (in the red-
giant process of losing it’s tidal grip) as hosting a system of
planets and spare moons that were orbiting along at whatever was their
required velocity to start with, is of course rather essential to
establishing this analogy that you (Timberwoof ) say can be
accomplished so quickly via paper and pencil (remember that I’d tossed
in that Abacus for good measure).

For some reason I’m thinking this one is going to get a wee bit more
complex than many pages of paper and whatever a large box of pencils
can manage to pull off even with a good Abacus.  However, since we the
overtaxed public own several supercomputers (including the nifty 2048
CPU mother of all supercomputers), often including the surrounding
facilities and staff in charge, whereas it seems only fair that we
minions as the village idiots of your status quo should get to utilize
our own stuff.  What do you think?

Would you or other of your all-knowing kind like to ponder your
condescending way through the Dogon notions of Earth and our moon as
having migrated away from Sirius-B?

At least that concept would go a long ways towards explaining how the
heck so much got fossilized into coal, oil and gas, and diatoms that
require the UV spectrum as having multiplied to such an extent.
Perhaps good old mother Earth was once upon a time orbiting Sirius-B
at 6~7 AU before the red giant phase.
. – Brad Guth

> Would you believe 12 light years.
>
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> Sorry about that.
> . - Brad Guth
BradGuth - 20 May 2008 20:21 GMT
Earth's tidal radius as having a measured affect on other planets is
worth at least 1024r (especially when including the extra alignment
and mass of our highly unusual moon), and obviously the mutually
combined tidal radius is much greater because there's a measured
affect on the orbits of Mercury and Mars that's directly related to
the Earth+moon tidal radius added to that of the other planets.
. - Brad Guth

> This is merely a new and improved continuation of what I’d replied to
> lord Timberwoof, in the topic of  “Earth w/o Moon / by Brad Guth”.
[quoted text clipped - 105 lines]
> > Sorry about that.
> > . - Brad Guth
BradGuth - 22 May 2008 18:51 GMT
> Earth's tidal radius as having a measured affect on other planets is
> worth at least 1024r (especially when including the extra alignment
[quoted text clipped - 113 lines]
> > > Sorry about that.
> > > . - Brad Guth

Now we see the usual DARPA army of brown-nosed clowns (minions Scott
Hedrick and good old Pat Flannery) showing up on behalf of mainstream
damage-contrrol, as though the once-upon-a-time (prior to that nasty
red-giant fiasco) when the Sirius star/solar system had an impressive
worth of 7+ solar mass, as such is all the sudden taboo/nondisclosure
rated.

Apparently the regular laws of physics as related to orbital mechanics
is summarily pissing off their Zionist puppet-masters in charge of
keeping us village idiots as dumbfounded as possible.
. - Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 03 Jun 2008 02:00 GMT
Sorry, BradBoi, but only you and WartPiggy are dumbfounded!  lmfjao!

Saul Levy

>> Earth's tidal radius as having a measured affect on other planets is
>> worth at least 1024r (especially when including the extra alignment
[quoted text clipped - 125 lines]
>keeping us village idiots as dumbfounded as possible.
>. - Brad Guth
BradGuth - 23 May 2008 06:48 GMT
That's odd, for such a vibrant star system as nearby and as having the
all-inclusive 7+ solar mass as of prior to Sirius-B going red giant
(fried down to the dual roar of 3 solar mass as of today), and for
some reason according to our Usenet/newsgroup wizards there was no
apparent tidal radius to ever take into consideration, thus no
interstellar relationships whatsoever.

Is this kind of special conditional physics imposed because those
pesky Zionist were kicked out of the Sirius solar system to begin
with?

Why would there not have been a very impressive tidal radius,
especially when combined along with the lesser tidal radius of Sol?

Am I the one and only village idiot thinking we're being snookered
along by those in charge of our faith-based mainstream status quo?
. - Brad Guth

> This is merely a new and improved continuation of what I’d replied to
> lord Timberwoof, in the topic of  “Earth w/o Moon / by Brad Guth”.
[quoted text clipped - 105 lines]
> > Sorry about that.
> > . - Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 03 Jun 2008 02:11 GMT
Zionists got kicked out of the Sirius solar system, BradBoi?  lmfjao!

Where did you get that idea from?  How did they get there in the first
place?  And, who kicked them out?

The whole Dogon thing is made up.  Some religious NUTJOB told them
about Sirius B.  It isn't part of their ancient mysticism.

Saul Levy

>That's odd, for such a vibrant star system as nearby and as having the
>all-inclusive 7+ solar mass as of prior to Sirius-B going red giant
[quoted text clipped - 112 lines]
>> at 6~7 AU before the red giant phase.
>> . – Brad Guth
Saul Levy - 02 Jun 2008 07:14 GMT
More of your insane nonsense, BradBoi!  lmfjao!

Now Sirius is in redshift?

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sirius' radial velocity hasn't changed since it was first measured.

First you had the wrong value, then you claim it changed 8.6 years
ago, now you claim it's reversed and gotten larger.

No way!  You're making all this sh.t up!

Saul Levy

>Getting an item of 7.5e22 kg away from the Sirius star/solar system is
>a wee bit more complex for that mere paper and pencil (we might need a
[quoted text clipped - 96 lines]
>> Sorry about that.
>> . - Brad Guth
Eric Chomko - 05 Jun 2008 03:43 GMT
> Would you believe 12 light years.

Sirius is 8.6 LY. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius

> If our Oort Cloud radius is worth as great as 2 ly, and the Sirius
> Oort Cloud becomes worth 6 ly (each distorted by a conservative factor
> of 1.5 towards one another = 12)

Our Oort Cloud is much smaller than 1 LY.

> More than likely it's worth 2x combined Oort Cloud radius = 16 ly.
>
> Sorry about that.

The "sorry" is you thinking that Sirius and El Sol have anything in
common other than stable proximity. Your 105,000 year orbit between El
Sol and Sirius has been debunked by yours truly a good while ago.

Where are the 105K annual rings, Guth? There are none.

Eric
BradGuth - 05 Jun 2008 04:43 GMT
> > Would you believe 12 light years.
>
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>
> Eric

But you can't even accomplish a basic orbital simulator, much less one
of any fully 3D interactive simulation.  Do you specify such critical
orbital mechanics for anyone or on behalf of any application that
matters? (didn't think so)

The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius.  Of course
we're currently headed back towards Sirius at 7.5 km/s, as based upon
8.6 years ago.  True blueshift could be closer to 10+ km/s, with a
higher closing velocity to come.

The mutual interstellar tidal radius most certainly was and actually
still is more than sufficient.

The 105K annual rings are those of our ice-ages and subsequent thaws.
(more frequent rings generated as of each of those previous ice-ages)

Your DARPA trained or rather puppeteered nayism is noted.
. - Brad Guth
Eric Chomko - 06 Jun 2008 15:23 GMT
> > > Would you believe 12 light years.
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> But you can't even accomplish a basic orbital simulator, much less one
> of any fully 3D interactive simulation.

I DID make an orbit simulator and that was 25 years ago. As far as 3-D
goes, no I have not made one of those though many exist. But number
were good for any epoch!

 > Do you specify such critical
> orbital mechanics for anyone or on behalf of any application that
> matters? (didn't think so)

Actually I do! Though most of my work centers around ground segment
testing of high-rate instrument data. Know anything about CCSDS, Guth?
Anything?

> The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius.  Of course
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Your DARPA trained or rather puppeteered nayism is noted.

Your pseudo-science is noted. And you're unable to dazzle me with your
brilliance, as you have none, and you can't baffle me with your
bullshit, so you're at a loss again, Brad.
BradGuth - 06 Jun 2008 17:08 GMT
> > > > Would you believe 12 light years.
>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> testing of high-rate instrument data. Know anything about CCSDS, Guth?
> Anything?

Not really.  Do you have any other physics or scientific expertise?

> > The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> > and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius.  Of course
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> brilliance, as you have none, and you can't baffle me with your
> bullshit, so you're at a loss again, Brad.

So, of other than your CCSDS terrestrial stuff, of any other physics
that's off-world doesn't count.  Figures, doesn't it.

Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Eric Chomko - 09 Jun 2008 16:47 GMT
> > > > > Would you believe 12 light years.
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Not really.  Do you have any other physics or scientific expertise?

A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
right Guth?

> > > The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> > > and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius.  Of course
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> So, of other than your CCSDS terrestrial stuff, of any other physics
> that's off-world doesn't count.  Figures, doesn't it.

What makes you think CCSDS is terrestial? Do you know what a sensor
is, Guth?
Why don't you make one?

Eric
BradGuth - 10 Jun 2008 07:57 GMT
> A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> right Guth?

No I do not know how to write computer code, but then yourself and
many others have that expertise.  Are there reasons why can't you
share?

> > > > The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> > > > and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius.  Of course
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> is, Guth?
> Why don't you make one?

I've made a few sensors, though mostly optical, some magnetic and a
couple utilizing the audio spectrum.  I've specified a CCSDS
compatible sensor using lasers and diaphragm of a mylar reflective
surface.

> Eric

btw,  is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?

Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Eric Chomko - 10 Jun 2008 16:00 GMT
> > A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> > right Guth?
>
> No I do not know how to write computer code, but then yourself and
> many others have that expertise.  Are there reasons why can't you
> share?

Surely you have heard of GNU?

> > > > > The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> > > > > and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius.  Of course
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> compatible sensor using lasers and diaphragm of a mylar reflective
> surface.

Any of them ever been flown in space?

> btw,  is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?

No. But why are my rants of consequence and your rants not? Why the
double standard?
BradGuth - 11 Jun 2008 14:17 GMT
> > > A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> > > right Guth?
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>
> Surely you have heard of GNU?

And your "GNU" of ones and zeros or whatever word games has what to do
with "The mutual tidal radius of Sol~Sirius = ?"

> > > > > > The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> > > > > > and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius. �Of course
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>
> Any of them ever been flown in space?

By way of others, so we know they work.  However, since you're a born-
again liar because you know better as to what I've accomplished, is
all the proof-positive we need to know about yourself.

> > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
>
> No. But why are my rants of consequence and your rants not? Why the
> double standard?

The truth isn't a "double standard", except to a devout Zionist/Nazi.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Eric Chomko - 11 Jun 2008 17:35 GMT
> > > > A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> > > > right Guth?
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> And your "GNU" of ones and zeros or whatever word games has what to do
> with "The mutual tidal radius of Sol~Sirius = ?"

Too lazy to even look up GNU? Better to just invent your own BS?

> > > > > > > The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> > > > > > > and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius. �Of course
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> again liar because you know better as to what I've accomplished, is
> all the proof-positive we need to know about yourself.

translation: You have accomplished nothing. And as such are a bitter
old man...

> > > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
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>
> The truth isn't a "double standard", except to a devout Zionist/Nazi.

And lies are multifaceted, doesn't it bug you that you can't own all
the lies?
BradGuth - 11 Jun 2008 18:29 GMT
> > > > > A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> > > > > right Guth?
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> translation: You have accomplished nothing. And as such are a bitter
> old man...

I have my honest reasons (nothing to hide).  How about yourself? (got
truth?)

> > > > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > > > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
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> And lies are multifaceted, doesn't it bug you that you can't own all
> the lies?

So, you have no honest intentions of ever being the least bit topic
constructive, or even the least bit informative.  Figures, doesn't it,
in a DARPA status quo kinda way.
- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Eric Chomko - 11 Jun 2008 20:12 GMT
> > > > > > A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> > > > > > right Guth?
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> I have my honest reasons (nothing to hide).  How about yourself? (got
> truth?)

How do YOU test for truth, Guth? What is your method or methods?
Simply claiming others are liars and stating nothing about what you do
doesn't make you honest or a truth-seeker.

> > > > > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > > > > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
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> constructive, or even the least bit informative.  Figures, doesn't it,
> in a DARPA status quo kinda way.

DARPA and status quo don't match. Besides DARPA has little do so with
NASA other than goverenment funding. You might as well include NOAA
and ATF in your hate rant.
BradGuth - 11 Jun 2008 21:34 GMT
> > > > > > > A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> > > > > > > right Guth?
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> Simply claiming others are liars and stating nothing about what you do
> doesn't make you honest or a truth-seeker.

The truth can usually be independently tested and verified, getting
the similar or exact same results.

Honestly using deductive thinking and trying hard to best connect
those dots, in order to fill in the unusually missing information with
the best available science, is often going to become correct enough,
at least until something better comes along.

Such as the 7+ solar mass of the original Sirius star/solar system
would have offered at least 7 fold as much tidal radius as Sol.  The
mutual combined tidal radius of that golden era should have been
rather impressive before Sirius-B went red giant and having since lost
most of its mass, as well as having lost its tidal grip on whatever
planets and potential moons.

Rogue stars, planets and proto-moons do exist, as do rogue black
holes.

> > > > > > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > > > > > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
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> NASA other than goverenment funding. You might as well include NOAA
> and ATF in your hate rant.

Before DARPA there was no NASA, or hardly much of anything else that
could come close to whatever those physics and science smart Zionist/
Nazi types had been accomplishing for their previous resident LLPOF
warlord(Hitler).

Our NOAA, ATF and FEMA, as well as NSA and nowadays DHS are just so
much toilet paper for the likes of our MI5/CIA~DARPA.  As a whole, we
have nearly ten fold as many cloak and dagger agencies and their
stealth sub-agencies of official and the usual unofficial (black ops)
spooks and moles as does Russia.  It's more than enough to make your
head spin.

Before DARPA there was also no internet/Usenet.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Eric Chomko - 12 Jun 2008 18:02 GMT
> > > > > > > > A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> > > > > > > > right Guth?
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> the best available science, is often going to become correct enough,
> at least until something better comes along.

Correct for the most part, though you never really got into
experimentation and demostration specifically.

> Such as the 7+ solar mass of the original Sirius star/solar system
> would have offered at least 7 fold as much tidal radius as Sol.  The
> mutual combined tidal radius of that golden era should have been
> rather impressive before Sirius-B went red giant and having since lost
> most of its mass, as well as having lost its tidal grip on whatever
> planets and potential moons.

Wait, are you saying that Sirius-B was once a red giant? And what of
Sirius-A at the time Sirius-B was a red giant; where was Sirius-A?

> Rogue stars, planets and proto-moons do exist, as do rogue black
> holes.

The above sentence appears to be a non-sequitur and somewhat vague.

> > > > > > > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > > > > > > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
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>
> Before DARPA there was no NASA,

And before NASA, there was no NOAA. That is simply playing games with
time!

> or hardly much of anything else that
> could come close to whatever those physics and science smart Zionist/
> Nazi types had been accomplishing for their previous resident LLPOF
> warlord(Hitler).

Geez, Project Paperclip really has you brainwashed.

> Our NOAA, ATF and FEMA, as well as NSA and nowadays DHS are just so
> much toilet paper for the likes of our MI5/CIA~DARPA.  As a whole, we
> have nearly ten fold as many cloak and dagger agencies and their
> stealth sub-agencies of official and the usual unofficial (black ops)
> spooks and moles as does Russia.  It's more than enough to make your
> head spin.

I am well aware of the intelligence community. And I agree that they
sometimes overextend their boundaries into areas where they don't
belong. But don't think that every single govt. agency is somehow
connected and in a nefarious way.

> Before DARPA there was also no internet/Usenet.

Right the internet grew right out of the olde DARPAnet. But isn't that
a good thing? Isn't it better that a public sector research entity
that was built using our tax dollars eventually turned over to the
private sector in order to create an economic boom, better commerce,
better communication, etc. , etc....

The legislation to turn the DARPAnet into what became the Internet was
introduced by Al Gore. And the rest is history.

Maybe one day ISS will follow a similar path?

Eric
BradGuth - 15 Jun 2008 06:08 GMT
> > The truth can usually be independently tested and verified, getting
> > the similar or exact same results.
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> Correct for the most part, though you never really got into
> experimentation and demostration specifically.

At least my arguments are within reason and technically feasible, and
often just as good if not better than what others are suggesting as
their one and only interpretation that best suits their faith-based
analogy.

> > Such as the 7+ solar mass of the original Sirius star/solar system
> > would have offered at least 7 fold as much tidal radius as Sol.  The
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> Wait, are you saying that Sirius-B was once a red giant? And what of
> Sirius-A at the time Sirius-B was a red giant; where was Sirius-A?

That is usually how white dwarfs come to past.

Sirius-A was perhaps originally similar to Sol, that is prior to
Sirius-B going into its red giant phase.

Sirius-A likely picked up one of those spare Sirius-B units of
expelled or expended solar mass.

> > Rogue stars, planets and proto-moons do exist, as do rogue black
> > holes.
>
> The above sentence appears to be a non-sequitur and somewhat vague.

To your mindset, most anything outside of your mainstream status quo
is "non-sequitur and somewhat vague".

> > Before DARPA there was no NASA,
>
> And before NASA, there was no NOAA. That is simply playing games with
> time!

If that's what makes you a happy camper, so be it.

> > or hardly much of anything else that
> > could come close to whatever those physics and science smart Zionist/
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> belong. But don't think that every single govt. agency is somehow
> connected and in a nefarious way.

As brown-nosed minions deathly afraid of their own shadow, whereas in
most situations there's no need of involving more than a very few at
the top.  It's essentially one for all and all for one, so to speak.

> > Before DARPA there was also no internet/Usenet.
>
> Right the internet grew right out of the olde DARPAnet. But isn't that
> a good thing?

Not the way it has been systematically manipulated and otherwise
twisted to suit their Zionist/Nazi ulterior motives and hidden
agendas.

> Isn't it better that a public sector research entity
> that was built using our tax dollars eventually turned over to the
> private sector in order to create an economic boom, better commerce,
> better communication, etc. , etc....

You know damn good and well, that our internet/newsgroups is anything
but well suited for accommodating the cloak and dagger aspects of
those in charge.  It's folks exactly like yourself that make this
internet/newsgroup a intellectual wasteland soup, of a mostly cartel
infowar and disinformation factory that favors the mainstream mindset
at all cost, without remorse or considerations for the consequences.

> The legislation to turn the DARPAnet into what became the Internet was
> introduced by Al Gore. And the rest is history.

History was also created by Hitler and of his Zionist/Nazi puppet army
of brown-nosed minions that became our MI5/CIA~DARPA, and now we're
stuck with the nearly if not worse collateral damage and carnage
created by our GW Bush and faith-based company of born-again bastards.

> Maybe one day ISS will follow a similar path?
>
> Eric

ISS is a serious liability, as well as a damn freaking spendy
alternative to using our moon's L1.  By now we should have had Venus
L2 nailed with hosting POOF City.

- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Saul Levy - 24 Jun 2008 02:21 GMT
So when are you going to tell us the NEW period of our Sun's orbit
around Sirius A/B, BradBoi?  lmfjao!

You had the WRONG radial velocity.  The period MUST CHANGE!

Saul Levy

>> > The truth can usually be independently tested and verified, getting
>> > the similar or exact same results.
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>Sirius-A likely picked up one of those spare Sirius-B units of
>expelled or expended solar mass.

>- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Saul Levy - 21 Jun 2008 01:31 GMT
How about your rogue brain cells, BradBoi?  lmfjao!

Yeah I mean those INSANE CANCEROUS ones in your head!

Saul Levy

>The truth can usually be independently tested and verified, getting
>the similar or exact same results.
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>
>- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth