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Space Forum / Astronomy / January 2008What if? (On hydrogen Atom)
What if a hydrogen atom was detected to have decayed? Its been 30 years since the day I saw the great pool of water used to detect hydrogen atom decay go into operation at the U of Irvine Ca They have this experiment going on all over the world,and I never read of one light flashing indicating hydrogen decaying. This is now telling us that the universe can last to infinity Gravity's compression force transforms hydrogen into all that is. Bert > What if a hydrogen atom was detected to have decayed? Its been 30 years > since the day I saw the great pool of water used to detect hydrogen atom [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can last to infinity Gravity's compression force transforms hydrogen > into all that is. Bert > What if a hydrogen atom was detected to have decayed? Yeah, kinda makes one wonder what process is powering the H atom and its proton nucleus, accounting for their permanence. :-) > Its been 30 years > since the day I saw the great pool of water used to detect hydrogen atom > decay go into operation at the U of Irvine Ca They have this experiment > going on all over the world,and I never read of one light flashing > indicating hydrogen decaying. oc If one H-Atom decayed I would be wiser,but very sad. Bert We must get all the under gound hydrogen to save humankind. In doing so we will end up with also all the helium that we can use for the next 5,000 years Bert What if a neutron star can tell us something about a black hole's interior? They relate to each well. Both are created by the implosion of a very large dense star(supernova) Both are small with a great gravity force. There difference is the black hole has a three times greater force of gravity,and no EM force can escape. To shorten this post I'll jump in by saying the gravity of a neutron star has pushed electrons of atoms back into the nuclei,and its interior is neutrons only Neutron stars have no event horizons. Now comes the black hole Its event horizon strips the electrons from atoms,and reduces them to photons(there building blocks) its great force of gravity compresses the quarks together with no space between them. It takes away there positive charge. To sum this up it goes like this Neutron stars "Its neutrons all the way down" Black holes its "Quarks all the way down" Bert What if the universe has reached a spacetime that has to much iron dust in its nebula star producing clouds? That is a subject worth discussing. Once read that the universe could be greatly affected by iron atoms. We know it puts the damper on fusion Bert Sounds rather unlikely, BEERTbrain! Too much hydrogen is the norm. Saul Levy >What if the universe has reached a spacetime that has to much iron dust >in its nebula star producing clouds? That is a subject worth >discussing. Once read that the universe could be greatly affected by >iron atoms. We know it puts the damper on fusion Bert Cactus Saul Yes in the past spacetime there was more hydrogen and less iron(relation ship). My post is to show in our present spacetime there is less hydrogen(still 90%) but lots more iron,and it does not take much iron mixed in the present nebula(hydrogen clouds) to make fusion harder to be achieved. It is only one of my ideas,but I think it is worth thinking about Bert Why think that way, BEERTbrain? There are obviously billions of stars still shining. I can see them (the WartPlugs don't even look!). I doubt iron is a problem. Is this another part of DOOM AND GLOOM FOREVER!? Saul Levy >Cactus Saul Yes in the past spacetime there was more hydrogen and less >iron(relation ship). My post is to show in our present spacetime there >is less hydrogen(still 90%) but lots more iron,and it does not take much >iron mixed in the present nebula(hydrogen clouds) to make fusion harder >to be achieved. It is only one of my ideas,but I think it is worth >thinking about Bert Cactus Saul Our Sun will lose its fusion to iron. Reality is iron is the heaviest element a medium star can produce It uses up fusion energy and creates a medium star to become a red giant. Iron is so very stable that there will be balls of it every where in space when the last star blinks out. They will be the last objects black holes will absorb. Bert The Sun will never evolve to the iron-creation stage, BEERTbrain! It isn't massive enough. The Sun already contains essentially all the iron it ever will. Your brain continues it's long slow ride into senility. Note to frootie: It's past time for BEERTbrain to be committed. His theories are now past being of any use to anyone. Saul Levy >Cactus Saul Our Sun will lose its fusion to iron. Reality is iron is >the heaviest element a medium star can produce It uses up fusion energy >and creates a medium star to become a red giant. Iron is so very stable >that there will be balls of it every where in space when the last star >blinks out. They will be the last objects black holes will absorb. >Bert Saul Saul No more iron for the Sun Oh Ya Bert Then why did you say the opposite, BEERTbrain? Saul Levy >Saul Saul No more iron for the Sun Oh Ya Bert > Then why did you say the opposite, BEERTbrain? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Cactus saul Reality is medium size stars such as our Sun can create iron,and all heavier elements are created in very dense stars.Iron atoms kill fusion Get the picture Sunbeam+Bert On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:31:05 -0500, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^ wrote, > ...medium size stars such as our Sun can create > iron... 'Fraid not, Bert. The Sun isn't massive enough to 'make' iron by fusion, although it may `contain` trace amounts of iron and other heavy elements. It's only massive enough to fuse as far as oxygen. oc Iron is NOT created in our Sun, BEERTbrain! Give me a source for that information please! Saul Levy >> Then why did you say the opposite, BEERTbrain? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >iron,and all heavier elements are created in very dense stars.Iron >atoms kill fusion Get the picture Sunbeam+Bert > Iron is NOT created in our Sun, BEERTbrain! Give me a source for that > information please! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Cactus Saul Earth has solid and liquid core This begs the question How come I'm hlding a iron meteorite,and the solar system when the Sun was just a great gas disk What happened to all the iron? It only ended up at the Earth's core. Why is it the Moon has no iron core.You know the Sun has more iron than the rest of the solar system. Yes I do remember reading mediam stars can create heavy elements,but iron is the end,and heavy elements are created by larger denser stars(supernovas) We know more about the core of the Sun than the Earth's core Sunbeam That looks a lot more like a post from BEERTbrain! How do I know? From the spelling errors and the rambling discussion of unrelated thoughts! lmao! Saul Levy >> Iron is NOT created in our Sun, BEERTbrain! Give me a source for that >> information please! >> >> Saul Levy >Cactus Saul Earth has solid and liquid core This begs the question >How come I'm hlding a iron meteorite,and the solar system when the Sun [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >stars(supernovas) We know more about the core of the Sun than the >Earth's core Sunbeam > That looks a lot more like a post from BEERTbrain! How do I know? > From the spelling errors and the rambling discussion of unrelated [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - It is my post Cactus Saul so best I sign Bert and not get Sunbeam in trouble. Bert Yes, that's best, BEERTbrain! You haven't said a thing about your totally incorrect snow forecast for Tucson. I didn't see one anyway. Saul Levy >It is my post Cactus Saul so best I sign Bert and not get Sunbeam in >trouble. Bert We know very little about the core of the earth or sun. That's why the Kola Superdeep Borehole is so cool. The parameters for every point in the Sun is now known. Saul Levy >We know very little about the core of the earth or sun. >That's why the Kola Superdeep Borehole is so cool. |
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