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Why the lack of usenet interest in anything JAXA SELENE?

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BradGuth - 05 Oct 2007 23:20 GMT
Japan lunar probe reaches orbit
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/ba6e27556d88b3
26/003f35e7781e5cdb#003f35e7781e5cdb


JAXA SELENE/SELINE via H-2A/H-IIA
http://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f13/index_e.html
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
For some silly odd reason there's been nothing of any good (meaning
informative or otherwise deductive) usenet chat about this JAXA moon
mission.  It's as though being all super hush-hush or taboo/
nondisclosure rated.  Wonder why? (and why the intentional
disinformation spelling of the mission name "SELINE"?)

"The KAGUYA mission targets are the global characterization of lunar
surface and detailed gravimetry."
Sounds perfectly nifty and worth every bit of whatever that mission of
remote obtained science can contribute about our physically dark,
somewhat salty and otherwise unavoidably naked/anticathode worthy
mascon of gamma and X-ray saturated environment, especially as for
eventually offering detailed review per each of our NASA/Apollo hard
landings or impact sites.

Perhaps this time those new and greatly improved CCD obtained images
will honestly utilize their full dynamic range, and thus unavoidably
provide a few good FOVs that'll include the rather nifty vibrance and
unusual natural raw colour spectrum of Venus above the moon's
physically dark horizon, possibly even eventually sharing a few shots
that'll include Earth and Venus within the very same Field Of View
that'll still include something of the moon's natural deep colours and
contrast of those rather unusual mineral deposits.

BTW, only taking 3 weeks instead of 3 days to get SELENE into its
outer-most lunar orbit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-IIA
H2A2022 / 285,000 kg (2 stage + SRBs) / total payload mass was 3020 kg
http://www.jaxa.jp/pr/brochure/pdf/01/rocket01.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
-
Main Orbiter
Mass: 2914 kg
Size: 2.1 x 2.1 x 4.8 m
Attitude control: Three-axis stabilized
Power: 3.5 kW (Max.)
Mission period: 1 year
Mission Orbit: Circular orbit,
Altitude 100 km
Inclination 90 degree

The total payload mass was reported as 3020 kg + 1400 kg faring

107.1:1 ratio of rocket/payload (323.42/3.02 tonnes)
H2A2022 323.42 tonnes w/fairing and payload, requires those extra 2
SRBs + 2 Solid strap-on Boosters (SSBs)

With an inert mass of merely 42.62 tonnes, or 13.18% (as opposed to
our NASA/Apollo fiasco of having to start off hauling nearly a 30%
worth of inert mass) is what seems more than a bit odd.

As for the SELENE mission delivery only taking an energy efficient 3
weeks (instead of NASA/Apollo's swift 3 days with fuel and payload to
spare) in order to get JAXA's mission into lunar orbit, as such seems
to be entirely believable as based upon those regular laws of fly-by-
rocket physics.

Is there a little something of our NASA/Apollo hocus-pocus conditional
fly-by-rocket physics, that which we do not yet honestly know about?
(apparently so)
- Brad Guth -
Uncle Al - 06 Oct 2007 00:27 GMT
> Japan lunar probe reaches orbit
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/ba6e27556d88b3
26/003f35e7781e5cdb#003f35e7781e5cdb

[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> nondisclosure rated.  Wonder why? (and why the intentional
> disinformation spelling of the mission name "SELINE"?)

It is ignored because it is politicized crap.  NASA has a vast
treasure trove of deep frozen asstronaught urine and feces - in
duplicate!  So?  After all 200 nations map individually every
centimeter^2 of the moon and assign pet names to every pebble and
dimple... will we have a deeper understanding of why more studies are
needed so lunar regolith observations can tell us about terrestrial
weather?

Hey Guth, tell us again how to store 1000 kg of fully ionized atomic
nuclei without any of their electrons for use as fuel in your fully
ionized ion engine.  Have you worked out the Coulomb energy of
compression for you fuel tank?  Whatcha gonna line it with,
shitanium?  Relux?  COSMIUM?  Positrons?

[snip crap]

> - Brad Guth -

And that face on Mars you puked about for months on end - what
happened to that, Guth?

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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

BradGuth - 07 Oct 2007 12:50 GMT
> > Japan lunar probe reaches orbit
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/ba6...
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> treasure trove of deep frozen asstronaught urine and feces - in
> duplicate!

Right, "is ignored because it is politicized crap", and otherwise
within your NASA/Apollo Quran is where anything of independent science
truth is either antisemitic or politicised crap... (why of course it
is)

> So?  After all 200 nations map individually every
> centimeter^2 of the moon and assign pet names to every pebble and
> dimple... will we have a deeper understanding of why more studies are
> needed so lunar regolith observations can tell us about terrestrial
> weather?

Was that semetic rant even necessary?  Obviously you have problems
with honest science that's based upon the regular laws of physics.
Why is that?

My goodness, and why exactly does Uncle Al hate Japs so much? (isn't
that being anti-semitic of yourself?)

> Hey Guth, tell us again how to store 1000 kg of fully ionized atomic
> nuclei without any of their electrons for use as fuel in your fully
> ionized ion engine.  Have you worked out the Coulomb energy of
> compression for you fuel tank?  Whatcha gonna line it with,
> shitanium?  Relux?  COSMIUM?  Positrons?

Good question, but it's not the least bit related to this topic

> And that face on Mars you puked about for months on end - what
> happened to that, Guth?

Another good but unrelated question for this topic, though I never did
like that Mars face because it looked too much like another semitic
bigoted Yid.

Thus far you're not doing so good, with striking zero out of three or
more contributions that are clearly anti-semantic as well as highly
bigoted and arrogant to boot.  Have you nothing constructive of
positive to admirer or contribute about the SELENE mission?
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 07 Oct 2007 21:03 GMT
Why all the unusual lack of topic interest, or rather perhaps why the
ongoing official banishment of anything JAXA SELENE?

Perhaps JAXA's SELENE/KAGUYA via H-2A/H-IIA is also having to become
another hoax, especially since it's getting so much harder to hide the
truth.

Japan lunar probe reaches orbit
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/ba6e27556d88b3
26/003f35e7781e5cdb#003f35e7781e5cdb

JAXA SELENE/KAGUYA via H-2A/H-IIA
http://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f13/index_e.html
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
For some silly odd reason there's been nothing of any good (meaning
informative or otherwise deductive) usenet chat about this JAXA moon
mission.  It's as though being all super hush-hush or taboo/
nondisclosure rated.  Wonder why?

"The KAGUYA mission targets are the global characterization of lunar
surface and detailed gravimetry."
Sounds perfectly nifty and worth every bit of whatever that mission of
remote obtained science can contribute about our physically dark,
somewhat salty and otherwise unavoidably naked/anticathode worthy
mascon of gamma and X-ray saturated environment, especially as for
eventually offering those detailed reviews per each of our NASA/Apollo
hard landings or impact sites.

Perhaps this time around those new and greatly improved CCD obtained
images will honestly utilize their full dynamic range, and thus
unavoidably provide a few good FOVs that'll include the rather nifty
vibrance and unusual natural raw colour spectrum of Venus above the
moon's physically dark horizon, possibly even eventually sharing a few
shots that'll include Earth and Venus within the very same Field Of
View that'll still include something of the moon's natural deep
colours and contrast of those rather unusual mineral deposits.

BTW, only taking 3 weeks instead of 3 days to get JAXA's SELENE into
its outer-most lunar orbit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-IIA
H2A2022 / 285,000 kg (2 stage + SRBs) / total payload mass was 3020 kg
http://www.jaxa.jp/pr/brochure/pdf/01/rocket01.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
-
Main Orbiter
Mass: 2914 kg
Size: 2.1 x 2.1 x 4.8 m
Attitude control: Three-axis stabilized
Power: 3.5 kW (Max.)
Mission period: 1 year
Mission Orbit: Circular orbit,
Altitude 100 km
Inclination 90 degree

Their total payload mass was later reported as 3020 kg + 1400 kg
faring

107:1 ratio of rocket/payload (323.42/3.02 tonnes)
H2A2022 323.42 tonnes w/fairing and payload, requires those extra 2
SRBs + 2 Solid strap-on Boosters (SSBs)

With an inert mass of merely 42.62 tonnes, or 13.18% (as opposed to
our NASA/Apollo fiasco of having to start off hauling nearly a 30%
worth of inert mass and their 60:1 rocket/payload ratio) is what seems
more than a bit odd, if not entirely hocus-pocus worthy.

As for the SELENE mission's orbital delivery process only taking an
energy efficient 3 weeks (instead of NASA/Apollo's swift 3 days with
fuel and payload to spare) in order to get JAXA's 3 tonne mission into
lunar orbit (actually it's taking yet another two weeks for getting
into the desired 100 km polar orbit), as such seems to be entirely
believable as based upon those regular laws of fly-by-rocket physics
that our NASA/Apollo wizards never have to worry about.
http://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f13/topics/pdf/1007_0330_loi3_e.pdf

Is there a little something about our Third Reich semitic fortified
NASA/Apollo hocus-pocus worth of conditional fly-by-rocket physics,
that which we do not yet honestly know about? (apparently so)
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 08 Oct 2007 06:06 GMT
Where's all the usual gauntlet of those brown-nosed semitic clowns
claiming their NASA/Apollo Quran is but all there is to say about our
salty old moon?
- Brad Guth -
John Griffin - 08 Oct 2007 18:01 GMT
> Why all the unusual lack of topic interest, or rather perhaps
> why the ongoing official banishment of anything JAXA SELENE?

Who cares?  Hint:  Nobody and nobody else, i.e., only you.
BradGuth - 08 Oct 2007 23:14 GMT
> > Why all the unusual lack of topic interest, or rather perhaps
> > why the ongoing official banishment of anything JAXA SELENE?
>
> Who cares?  Hint:  Nobody and nobody else, i.e., only you.

Gee whiz, of JAXA taking essentially 5 weeks in order to establish
their 100 km orbit, and having used up a 107:1 ratio worth of rocket
per payload that was less than 14% inert, is what seems perfecty
doable.

Can you otherwise say as to why JAXA was so fly-by-rocket inefficient?

Say again how our NASA Apollo semitic Third Reich wizards managed to
accomplish their rad-hard 3 day trip to the moon with fuel and payload
to spare, and having only a 60:1 ratio of rocket per payload that was
nearly 30% inert to start off with.

Is there a little something special about such fly-by-rocket physics
we're not being told?
- Brad Guth -
John Griffin - 09 Oct 2007 03:36 GMT
> On Oct 8, 10:01 am, John Griffin <thathillbi...@yahooie.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Can you otherwise say as to why JAXA was so fly-by-rocket
> inefficient?

We'll never know.  It's too bad the term "Inscrutable orientals"
has been purged. Just ask yourself "Who knows what goes on in the
mind of a Jap?"  They planned their mission with that vehicle and
that propulsion system.  Why?  Who cares?

> Say again how our NASA Apollo semitic Third Reich wizards
> managed to accomplish their rad-hard 3 day trip to the moon
> with fuel and payload to spare, and having only a 60:1 ratio
> of rocket per payload that was nearly 30% inert to start off
> with.

Anyone who took you seriously enough to try to explain that to
you would first have to boil away layers of silliness.

> Is there a little something special about such fly-by-rocket
> physics we're not being told?

There could be literally a ton of stuff we aren't being told.
Maybe you could get a complete copy of the mission specifications  
on about that much microfiche.  Why would we want to be told
everything?  

There is no "fly by rocket physics" that precludes either a three
day trip, an eleven day trip, or even a one-year trip to a moon
rendezvous.

I was going to ask you what the hell you're talking about, but
you don't know.
BradGuth - 09 Oct 2007 12:44 GMT
> > On Oct 8, 10:01 am, John Griffin <thathillbi...@yahooie.com>
> > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> mind of a Jap?"  They planned their mission with that vehicle and
> that propulsion system.  Why?  Who cares?

Obviously anyone backing our hocus-pocus NASA/Apollo missions cares a
great deal, as to not sharing a word of physics or rocket science
truth that would easily spill all of those semitic beans in hell.

> > Say again how our NASA Apollo semitic Third Reich wizards
> > managed to accomplish their rad-hard 3 day trip to the moon
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> day trip, an eleven day trip, or even a one-year trip to a moon
> rendezvous.

You've got to be kidding, as in far beyond kidding and otherwise lying
your infomercial spewing butt off.

> I was going to ask you what the hell you're talking about, but
> you don't know.

What a total wuss and a damn liar to boot.  So, at least you agree
that there "could be literally a ton of stuff we aren't being told".
No kidding, as I and many others say.

Yourself and none others of your kind can manage to cover your butts
on a good number of important if not rather critical and/or essential
mission related issues, especially those pertaining to physics, not to
mention the replicated science of those unfiltered Kodak moments that
simply do not add up to the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Our mutually perpetrated cold-war (meaning both sides) was nothing but
lies upon lies from the very get go, so why not more of the same
crapolla as pertaining to our supposedly having walked on the moon,
and of most everything else related to our having to support the
supposed science of that NASA/Apollo fiasco?

The human DNA matter of truth is that it's entirely lethal but
otherwise a whole lot safer to go to Mars than to visit our moon for
even a brief look-see, especially as going within such limited shield
of what our Apollo wizards had to work with.

It's also why there's such an ongoing banishment effort imposed
against whatever's intelligent that's existing/coexisting on Venus, as
well as imposed against 100% of every other research word that I have
ever contributed.  You folks know damn good and well that it's exactly
what Yids do best in order to cover their Third Reich semitic butts
while keeping others outside of their faith-based cultism ruse from
ever getting ahead.
- Brad Guth -
John Griffin - 10 Oct 2007 18:44 GMT
> On Oct 8, 7:36 pm, John Griffin <thathillbi...@yahooie.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> rocket science truth that would easily spill all of those
> semitic beans in hell.

No one cares.  They planned their mission, and NASA planned its
mission.  They were different.  DUH

>> > Say again how our NASA Apollo semitic Third Reich wizards
>> > managed to accomplish their rad-hard 3 day trip to the moon
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> You've got to be kidding, as in far beyond kidding and
> otherwise lying your infomercial spewing butt off.

Not kidding. Since you're representing yourself as a qualified
critic of "fly by rocket physics," you should either post a
refutation of what I said or do the math to show, for example,
how long it would take to get to the moon's orbit if you started
with a 100000kg vehicle in Earth orbit in the lunar orbital plane
and gave it a constant acceleration with a miniature ion engine
producing one gram of thrust. While you're at it, do the same
calculation for the biggest chemical rocket you could have on the
same vehicle.  Just for fun, of course.

>> I was going to ask you what the hell you're talking about,
>> but you don't know.
>
> What a total wuss and a damn liar to boot.  So, at least you
> agree that there "could be literally a ton of stuff we aren't
> being told". No kidding, as I and many others say.

You didn't get it.  I was talking about the ton of paperwork it
takes to define such a mission.  For example, the size and
composition of the ball bearings in a fuel pump.

> Yourself and none others of your kind can manage to cover your
> butts on a good number of important if not rather critical
> and/or essential mission related issues, especially those
> pertaining to physics, not to mention the replicated science
> of those unfiltered Kodak moments that simply do not add up to
> the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Educate us, brad.  Don't embarrass yourself by continuing to spew
the goofy notion that Venus could show up on film along with the
moon's surface.

> Our mutually perpetrated cold-war (meaning both sides) was
> nothing but lies upon lies from the very get go, so why not
> more of the same crapolla as pertaining to our supposedly
> having walked on the moon, and of most everything else related
> to our having to support the supposed science of that
> NASA/Apollo fiasco?

Brad waxes incoherent.

> The human DNA matter of truth is that it's entirely lethal but
> otherwise a whole lot safer to go to Mars than to visit our
> moon for even a brief look-see, especially as going within
> such limited shield of what our Apollo wizards had to work
> with.

Maybe they were just lucky. <snicker>  It would have taken far
more than mere luck, on the other hand, to perpetrate the fraud
you and a few demented jerkoffs yap about.

> It's also why there's such an ongoing banishment effort
> imposed against whatever's intelligent that's
> existing/coexisting on Venus, as well as imposed against 100%
> of every other research word that I have ever contributed.

"Research word"?!  WTF are you yapping about now?!

Funny you should mention "every other word." Your nonsense would
be just as rational if you took every paragraph and made two by
routing odd-numbered words to one and even to the other.

> You folks know damn good and well that it's exactly what Yids
> do best in order to cover their Third Reich semitic butts
> while keeping others outside of their faith-based cultism ruse
> from ever getting ahead.

Are you referring to certain "Yids," or all "Yids"?  Am I to
accept the idea that I've been transmogrified from a blend of
various European tribes and one red injun tribe to a Yid?  Why
wasn't I informed of this in advance?

What, exactly, is a "Third Reich semitic butt" in your
fantasyland?  I can't find any evidence of any such thing.
BradGuth - 10 Oct 2007 22:03 GMT
> > On Oct 8, 7:36 pm, John Griffin <thathillbi...@yahooie.com>
> > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 130 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

In other silly "John Griffin" words of entirely avoiding the question
or intent of this topic, you're not about to spill any of those beans,
or at least not about to help rock any of your hocus-pocus NASA/Apollo
ruse of your perpetrated cold-war century.

I believe that we understand, fully.  No wonder that Yids and fellow
rusemasters of a kind so flock together, no matters what the
consequences.
- Brad Guth -
John Griffin - 11 Oct 2007 18:27 GMT
> In other silly "John Griffin" words of entirely avoiding the
> question or intent of this topic, you're not about to spill
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> what the consequences.
> - Brad Guth -

It's amazing that you can stay full of sh.t while spewing so much
of it day after day.
BradGuth - 12 Oct 2007 13:53 GMT
> > In other silly "John Griffin" words of entirely avoiding the
> > question or intent of this topic, you're not about to spill
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> It's amazing that you can stay full of sh.t while spewing so much
> of it day after day.

In other words, anything on behalf of JAXA or Selene is your kind of
sh.t that has absolutely no scientific or physics point or worth of
kind.  As I'd said, we understand your problem of not wanting to share
and share alike, especially if there's any bean spilling that might
take place.

Do you think JAXA,s Selene CCD images are going to be as DR limited?

Just like Messenger's piss poor image of Earth, the New Horizon CCD
image of Jupiter and Io had been extremely DR limited, as to offering
not much better DR than my cell-phone camera could provide (certainly
far worse off than film).  Why would they only utilize 0.1% or less of
their CCD Dynamic Range?
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 17 Oct 2007 14:47 GMT
JAXA's Selene is still officially taboo/nondisclosure rated.
- Brad Guth -
Rick.Hworth@gmail.com - 24 Oct 2007 14:05 GMT
> JAXA's Selene is still officially taboo/nondisclosure rated.
> - Brad Guth -

For such a major scientific development, I was really surprised that
this had not recieved any coverage. It was only by some really out of
the way surfing that I found mention of this. I do not understand why.
BradGuth - 24 Oct 2007 18:18 GMT
On Oct 24, 6:05 am, Rick.Hwo...@gmail.com wrote:

> > JAXA's Selene is still officially taboo/nondisclosure rated.
> > - Brad Guth -
>
> For such a major scientific development, I was really surprised that
> this had not recieved any coverage. It was only by some really out of
> the way surfing that I found mention of this. I do not understand why.

It's obviously because of the ongoing NASA/Apollo cold-war ruse/sting
of the century, in that our moon hasn't been actually walked upon by
any of our folks as supposedly having all the "right stuff", and
there's much more to this kind of nondisclosure or banishment of
anything having to do with our somewhat salty old moon that's so
physically dark, naked and thus unavoidably anticathode saturated in
gamma and X-rays (especially by day when it's also double IR hot as
hell).

There will most likely be little or nothing of JAXA or China's
Chang'e-1 orbital moon explorations as offered by other than a few of
us brave souls willing to take on the mainstream status quo flak.  It
seems that our Third Reich Yids tend to get the most upset whenever
there anything but NASA infomercials about our moon to deal with.
- Brad Guth -
Randy Poe - 25 Oct 2007 04:00 GMT
On Oct 24, 9:05 am, Rick.Hwo...@gmail.com wrote:

> > JAXA's Selene is still officially taboo/nondisclosure rated.
> > - Brad Guth -
>
> For such a major scientific development, I was really surprised that
> this had not recieved any coverage. It was only by some really out of
> the way surfing that I found mention of this. I do not understand why.

How much coverage do you see of NASA's various lunar
surveys? Or of any of NASA's other unmanned missions?

                - Randy
BradGuth - 25 Oct 2007 16:28 GMT
> On Oct 24, 9:05 am, Rick.Hwo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> How much coverage do you see of NASA's various lunar
> surveys? Or of any of NASA's other unmanned missions?

Our NASA/Apollo missions were rather extremely well infomercial hyped
and covered on a global basis, and therefore the first of Japan's or
especially those of China's efforts should have been worth at least a
couple of front pages and even well above the fold disclosures.

Other than my usenet efforts, JAXA and China's CNSA don't hardly
exist.  Perhaps it's because they each had to stick with using those
pesky regular old laws of physics for their fly-by-rocket
accomplishments, and those having taken so much longer for getting
their rad-hard robotics into orbiting our physically dark, gamma + X-
ray saturated and somewhat salty old moon.

Instead, our American and mostly Yiddish usenet of official naysayism
is still officially in charge of topic/author stalking, bashing and
promoting as much banishment as they can muster, while they continue
to snooker and thus further dumbfounding us for all it's worth, and
then some.
- Brad Guth -
Randy Poe - 29 Oct 2007 15:40 GMT
> > On Oct 24, 9:05 am, Rick.Hwo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Our NASA/Apollo missions were rather extremely well infomercial hyped
> and covered on a global basis,

40 years ago. The discussion is coverage of space missions
in 2007, not the editorial decisions made 40 years ago.You
know it's 2007, right?

How much coverage do you see of NASA's various lunar
surveys (in 2007)? Or of any of NASA's other unmanned
missions (in 2007)?

                    - Randy
Jeff☠Relf - 29 Oct 2007 16:01 GMT
Britney Spears barfing at a space toilet
in the ISS would do wonders for Nasa.

WMAP's images of anisotropies in the gaussian C.M.B. blackbody
doesn't help nearly as much.
CWatters - 30 Oct 2007 10:49 GMT
> Britney Spears barfing at a space toilet
> in the ISS would do wonders for Nasa.

Were that to happen I imagine their budget wouldn't last as long as her
marriage to Jason Alexander .
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 31 Oct 2007 17:35 GMT
Jeff  Britney Spears,and I both sing in the bath room. When constipated
I can hit high C  ISS must have two bathrooms His & Hers.  I hope they
don't use pants on men's bathroom door,for woman do wear jeans,and that
can confuse NASA   It would be nice to land one of those $25,000.000
toilets on the moon "just in case"  I know from personal experience what
its like not to havea toilet to sit on. It goes back 74 years,and yet
"Somethings you never forget "         If Britney and I lived  together
I would have twin toilets.  Its nice to go holding hands. Singing
together. etc     Twitty knows how important a bathroom is  I always
thought one bathroom can work for both sexes. All it needs is a sign
that says  "No peeking"   Bert
Saul Levy - 01 Nov 2007 07:07 GMT
What a stupid posting that was, BEERTbrain!  You sound like a woman!
You think cavemen invented toilets?  You DON'T need a toilet to sit
on.  Squat!

Saul Levy

>Jeff  Britney Spears,and I both sing in the bath room. When constipated
>I can hit high C  ISS must have two bathrooms His & Hers.  I hope they
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>thought one bathroom can work for both sexes. All it needs is a sign
>that says  "No peeking"   Bert
BradGuth - 30 Oct 2007 20:27 GMT
> > > On Oct 24, 9:05 am, Rick.Hwo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> surveys (in 2007)? Or of any of NASA's other unmanned
> missions (in 2007)?

That's a rather silly diversion or damage-control sort of wussy reply,
or perhaps anti-contribution to this topic, don't you think!

Unlike yourself and others of your infomercial spewing kind, I'm quite
impressed with the recent efforts of Japan, China and soon India.

Would you much rather they focus their best talent and limited
resources upon making WMD?
- Brad Guth -
Randy Poe - 30 Oct 2007 20:32 GMT
> > > > On Oct 24, 9:05 am, Rick.Hwo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> That's a rather silly diversion or damage-control sort of wussy reply,
> or perhaps anti-contribution to this topic, don't you think!

No, I don't think.

The question: Is the coverage of this Japanese lunar mission
unusually low?

To answer this: compare coverage to coverage of other
current missions. Otherwise how could you know if the
coverage is unusually low?

Hence, the coverage of other missions is relevant to answering
the question, to seeing whether your belief in unusually
low coverage is justified.

So: How's the coverage of other space missions in this
decade?

             - Randy
BradGuth - 31 Oct 2007 15:08 GMT
> > > > > On Oct 24, 9:05 am, Rick.Hwo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> So: How's the coverage of other space missions in this
> decade?

Since you folks know that I was speaking of your usenet anti-think-
tank coverage, what's your point?

How many examples of topic/author exclusions and/or banishment upon
anything that's not of your NASA/Apollo God's work would you like to
further lie about?

Even ESA stuff is given the usenet cold shoulder, or the boot, by way
of simply ignoring whatever is shared, and/or by way of bashing it
into submission if not clowning it to death.
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 31 Oct 2007 15:10 GMT
> > > > > On Oct 24, 9:05 am, Rick.Hwo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> So: How's the coverage of other space missions in this
> decade?

Since you folks know that I was speaking of your usenet anti-think-
tank coverage, what's your point?

How many examples of topic/author exclusions and/or banishment upon
anything that's not of your NASA/Apollo God's work would you like to
further lie about?

Even ESA stuff is given the usenet cold shoulder, or the boot, by way
of simply ignoring whatever is shared, and/or by way of bashing it
into submission if not clowning it to death.
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 01 Dec 2007 19:51 GMT
> > > On Oct 24, 9:05 am, Rick.Hwo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
>                      - Randy

I don't see how that applies, especially with the largest nation of
highly educated folks on Earth that's advancing at roughly 10 fold of
anything we've got cooking, is now doing that first of many moon
related missions that'll only go towards giving them a whole lot
better shot at the commercial aspects of our moon.

What if China set up the first of their moon L1 platforms of science
instruments, whereas I suppose our NASA and of their brown-nosed
internet forum minions (much like yourself) would not bother to cover
that one either.

You know damn good and well that our mostly semitic orchestrated NASA
is holding back, hoping that something goes terribly wrong with either
of Japan's or China's lunar mapping missions, before they manage to
accomplish those one meter or better resolution images of our supposed
Apollo landing sites.
- Brad Guth
Stephen Malbon - 02 Dec 2007 12:08 GMT
> of Japan's or China's lunar mapping missions, before they manage to
> accomplish those one meter or better resolution images of our supposed
> Apollo landing sites.
..and when this happens and the LM descent stages and the lunar rovers
and photographed so there's no doubt at all that they're there, then
what are you going to say? Admit finally that you were wrong the whole time?
BradGuth - 02 Dec 2007 17:08 GMT
> > of Japan's or China's lunar mapping missions, before they manage to
> > accomplish those one meter or better resolution images of our supposed
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> and photographed so there's no doubt at all that they're there, then
> what are you going to say? Admit finally that you were wrong the whole time?

Of course.  Why the hell not?
- Brad Guth
BradGuth - 02 Dec 2007 18:49 GMT
> > of Japan's or China's lunar mapping missions, before they manage to
> > accomplish those one meter or better resolution images of our supposed
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> and photographed so there's no doubt at all that they're there, then
> what are you going to say? Admit finally that you were wrong the whole time?

Of course.  Why the hell not? (unlike yourself, I don't have a fixated
LLPOF genetic DNA code to deal with)

In fact, if it's subsequently proven that those off-world laws of
physics are entirely different than terrestrial, and that the best
available evidence can always be excluded and/or banished whenever
such rocks thy infowar/infomercial spewing boat, then so be it.

I also have no significant problems with manned or unmanned missions
going officially unnoticed, especially if they were of taxed private
dollars being spent.

However, is there any chance you're suggesting that our NASA has
always been the one and only government agency that does't lie to us?
- Brad Guth
Stephen Malbon - 03 Dec 2007 18:29 GMT
> In fact, if it's subsequently proven that those off-world laws of
> physics are entirely different than terrestrial,
They aren't.

> However, is there any chance you're suggesting that our NASA has
> always been the one and only government agency that does't lie to us?
Your NASA, your government. Not mine in either case, I'm British.
BradGuth - 04 Dec 2007 00:13 GMT
> > In fact, if it's subsequently proven that those off-world laws of
> > physics are entirely different than terrestrial,
>
> They aren't.

But they'd have to be different in order for those NASA/Apollo
missions to have taken place exactly as scripted, as for otherwise
their Saturn V rocket wouldn't have been sufficient, and our
physically dark moon would have been somewhat humanly lethal, as well
as the likes of Venus could not have been so easily excluded from all
of those unfiltered and rad-hard Kodak moments.

> > However, is there any chance you're suggesting that our NASA has
> > always been the one and only government agency that does't lie to us?
>
> Your NASA, your government. Not mine in either case, I'm British.

Then you should know that big government seldom tells us the whole
truth and nothing but the truth unless there's simply no other viable
option, especially if there's any degree of  faith-based puppeteering
going on (of which there usually is).
- Brad Guth
Randy Poe - 02 Dec 2007 15:05 GMT
> > > > On Oct 24, 9:05 am, Rick.Hwo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> related missions that'll only go towards giving them a whole lot
> better shot at the commercial aspects of our moon.

Nobody's talking to you, so you have to dig up month-old messages
to respond to?

I don't have any problem believing that you don't understand why
a discussion of the coverage of unmanned missions is relevant
to your question about why there's so little coverage of this
particular unmanned mission.

I'm not quite sure why you'd admit this about yourself, though.

             - Randy
BradGuth - 02 Dec 2007 18:36 GMT
> I don't have any problem believing that you don't understand why
> a discussion of the coverage of unmanned missions is relevant
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>               - Randy

I have no problems with manned or unmanned missions going officially
unnoticed, especially if they were of taxed private dollars being
spent.  But is that ever the case? (I don't think so)
- Brad Guth
Randy Poe - 02 Dec 2007 18:52 GMT
> > I don't have any problem believing that you don't understand why
> > a discussion of the coverage of unmanned missions is relevant
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> unnoticed, especially if they were of taxed private dollars being
> spent.  But is that ever the case? (I don't think so)

Since "officially unnoticed" has absolutely nothing to do with what
I said, I think I'll go back to ignoring this thread I dropped over
a month ago.

                  - Randy
BradGuth - 05 Dec 2007 22:03 GMT
> > > I don't have any problem believing that you don't understand why
> > > a discussion of the coverage of unmanned missions is relevant
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>                    - Randy

If ignoring the whole truth and nothing but the truth is what makes
you a happy camper, then so be it.  Obviously your happy camper
conditional laws of physics still has our rad-hard DNA walking on that
physically dark moon as of 4 decades ago.  Now that's impressive.
- Brad Guth
BradGuth - 18 Oct 2007 07:12 GMT
Selene (our moon or once upon a time binary planet of Venus) isn't but
a worthy anticathode worth of a physically dark pitstop of cosmic
minerals, including various salts, yellowcake and He3 to burn (sort of
speak), whereas Venus is very much an active planetology that's
relatively newish and representing loads of renewable energy as is.
Only a damn fool of a bigot that's less smart than a hot rock couldn't
make a go of it while on Venus, that is unless those pesky laws of
physics work differently while off-world.  I'm certain that JAXA's
Selene mission is pretty much stuck with those regular old laws of
physics, like what got their mission into orbiting our moon had taken
such a tremendous amount of applied fly-by-rocket energy.

> Painius:
>How can *anyone* seriously contemplate that
>L I F E on Earth is the only L I F E in this vast
>Cosmos?--or that humans are the pinnacle of it?

I agree, as for only a true intellectual bigot or that of a Zion
pretend atheist could ever consider Earth as being their one any only
viable planet for accommodating intelligent other life (that is as
long as it's semitic).

Earth's planetology isn't even all that extra special, other than
being essentially 98.5% fluid to those pesky forces of gravity/tidal
interactions, especially as having to deal with such a horrific mascon
that's orbiting so close by and going fast enough to be causing the
vast majority of global warming since its arrival, as well as having
been traumatising mother Earth ever since the last ice age this planet
will ever see.

Just the Milky Way is likely home to thousands if not millions of
other highly intelligent forms of life that has never seen nor much
less set their ET foot or whatever weird DNA on Earth.  In addition,
thare are likely more than a few cosmic billion worth of rogue stars
and their collections of viable planets, as well as a few interstellar
rogue mother planets of multiple Jupiter class or as brown dwarfs
having substantial orbiting items the size of Earth for intelligent
other life to play along with.  At least that's not only what a few
other research wizards are starting to report, but as well as having
been the case of what our spendy supercomputers have been telling us
for the past several decades, as based entirely upon those regular
laws of physics and orbital dynamics.

Supercomputer simulators can do almost anything in real 3D time, or in
advanced forward/backward time.  Go figure as to why those public
owned, housed and staffed supercomputers are being kept so taboo/
nondisclosure rated.  Of course, the GOOGLE/NOVA supercomputer is at
least ten fold better than anything we own publicly. (go figure as to
why GOOGLE/NOVA are not sharing)
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 23 Oct 2007 00:46 GMT
> Japan lunar probe reaches orbithttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/ba6...
>
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
> (apparently so)
> - Brad Guth -

KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV/CCD imaging getting its first full solar dosage
or saturation of those pesky raw secondary photons.
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/20071021_kaguya_e.pdf
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/en/
Notice as to all of the unavoidable UV secondary/recoil worth of
bluish and/or violet saturation that KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV is having to
deal with, even though currently using not more than 1% worth of their
dynamic range(DR).  Far better images are soon enough going to be
accomplished, especially with those other onboard CCD instruments.

Once their PhotoShop of image colour adjustments are made, the true
depth of contrast and spectrum of natural moon colours will emerge (of
far more than the naked human eye can detect).

Once again, it's too bad that we don't even have anything established
within the moon's L1, much less accomplishing those 1 meter/pixel
images that eventually KAGUYA/(SELENE) will accomplish towards the end
of its mission.
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 24 Oct 2007 19:43 GMT
> Japan lunar probe reaches orbithttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/ba6...
>
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
> (apparently so)
> - Brad Guth -

China's (CNSA) moon mission: Chang'e-1 should be interesting, that is
if they can manage to keep their stuff from running into JAXA's KAGUYA/
(SELENE) mission of three orbiting items.  As reported, China's probe
will be at roughly 200 km, thus keeping a safe 100 km distance away
from the KAGUYA/(SELENE) mission, at least that's plan-A.

KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV/CCD imaging getting its first full solar dosage
or saturation of those pesky raw secondary photons.
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/20071021_kaguya_e.pdf
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/en/
Notice as to all of the unavoidable UV secondary/recoil worth of
bluish and/or extra violet saturation that KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV is
having to deal with, even though having incorproated a sufficient UV
spectrum cut-off filter and currently using not more than 1% worth of
their HDTV dynamic range(DR).  Far better images are soon enough going
to be accomplished, especially with those other onboard CCD
instruments.

Once their PhotoShop of image colour adjustments are made, the true
depth of contrast and spectrum of those natural mineral rich moon
colours will emerge (of far more extensive scope than the naked human
eye can detect).

Once again, it's too bad that we still don't even have anything
established within the moon's L1, much less accomplishing those 1
meter/pixel images that eventually KAGUYA/(SELENE) will likely manage
to accomplish towards the end of its one year mission.
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 26 Oct 2007 18:38 GMT
What our future moon related missions and even on behalf of
accomplishing far better Earth science, plus a survivable space based
NEO security needs, is going to be best afforded by having a
substantial investment in our moon's L1.  Perhaps Japan, China or even
India will help take care of us, while the the likes of America and
Russia focus upon playing those silly global energy domination war-
games of taking fossil and yellowcake energy away from Muslims.

Here's more of that other nifty info tidbit of good news that we can
all use, and per usual there's even a few related consequences (though
mostly positive) to boot.  Too bad there's not so much as one word
about Clarke Station or that of my LSE-CM/ISS.

As per Usenet's infomercial/infowar spewed fuckology/naysay/banishment
or simply Zion/Yid status quo or bust usual, here's yet another old
Boeing RASC study/report that clearly has our hocus-pocus NASA wizards
working as though having rad-hard DNA within our moon's L1 for all
it's worth, naturally having excluded anything "Clarke Station" or
that mention of my tethered "LSE-CM/ISS".

OASIS / Earth-Moon L1 Gateway Missions / Executive Summary 10/2/2001
http://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/design_lib/OASISEXEC_97.pdf

Since relocating our moon to Earth's L1 is technically doable, but no
matters what is likely never going to get accomplished, is why looking
far away from anything associated with utilizing our moon or of its L1
is NASA's only viable option.

Too bad our moon's rather nifty L1 has always been kept so unusually
need-to-know and/or taboo, to the sorry point of having been as
nondisclosure rated as is most of everything associated with our
physically dark and unavoidably anticathode worthy moon.  Of course,
that's actually reinforcing more of the same good news for otherwise
commercially accomplishing our cool POOF City at Venus L2(VL2)
instead.
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 29 Oct 2007 15:04 GMT
China's (CNSA) moon mission: Chang'e-1 should become downright
interesting, that is if they can manage to keep their stuff from
running into JAXA's KAGUYA/(SELENE) mission of three orbiting items.
As reported, China's lunar probe will supposedly remain at roughly 200
km, thus keeping a safe 100 km distance away from the KAGUYA/(SELENE)
mission, at least that's plan-A.

(From The Yomiuri Shimbun, Oct. 29, 2007)
"China's space technology was already at a high level. China has
launched more than 100 Long March rockets since 1970, while Japan's H2-
A rocket has been launched only 13 times."

KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV/CCD imaging getting its first full solar dosage
or skewed saturation of those pesky raw secondary photons.
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/20071021_kaguya_e.pdf
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/en/
Notice as to all of those unavoidable UV secondary/recoil worth of
bluish and/or extra violet saturation that KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV is
having to deal with, even though their having incorproated a
sufficient UV spectrum cut-off filter and currently using not more
than 1% worth of their HDTV dynamic range(DR), even so having no
problems with recording the physically dark moon along with Earth
that's not even half the albedo worth of Vemus which also has greater
than 2.6 kw/m2 to work with.  Far better images are soon enough going
to be accomplished, especially with those other onboard CCD
instruments that'll far exceed what most previous science about our
extremely unusual moon.

Once their PhotoShop of image colour adjustments are made, the true
depth of that physically dark contrast and spectrum of those natural
mineral rich moon colors will emerge (with far more extensive scope
than the naked human eye can detect).

Once again, it's really too bad that we still don't have anything
established within the moon's L1, much less accomplishing those 1
meter/pixel images that eventually KAGUYA/(SELENE) will likely manage
to accomplish towards the end of its one year mission, as the KAGUYA/
(SELENE) orbit becomes less than 10 km.
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 23 Nov 2007 06:54 GMT
In addition to JAXA's Selene/KAGUYA mission doing exactly as planned,
it seems there's good old China that's acting extremely wise and fully
in charge of accomplishing their task of mapping and thus further
exploring the potential of our moon, with future intentions of their
robotically mining for those raw elements, including He3.  Perhaps if
our moon is in any way hollow or with geode pockets of good enough
volume for accommodating a few brave humans, whereas China and quite
possibly their partnerships with Japan and India will seriously pay
off, while we're stuck with suppressing a few too many pissed off
Muslims, as well as our having to pay through the nose for the likes
of terrestrial fossil, synfuels and even yellowcake.

Chang'e 1 sends back moon picture
http://www.china.org.cn/english/China/232774.htm

China's first lunar probe Chang'e 1 sent back its first moon picture
on Tuesday as scheduled, the National Space Administration has said.

Experts will later adjust cameras on the satellite according to the
moon picture's quality to ensure following photos are clear and
accurate, the Shaanxi-based West China City Daily reported today.

The first moon photo will be made public next week, the report cited
the administration as saying.

Tests on the orbiter's equipment showed that it is working normally
and in good condition, the administration said.

The probe had orbited the moon 168 times by 2 pm yesterday, the
administration said.

More tests will be conducted in the next few days that will help
ensure data transmissions continue. The satellite has gone through a
number of tests since it entered the moon's orbit on November 7.
Chang'e 1's position was adjusted on Monday so its probing equipment
faced the moon.

The satellite, named after a mythical Chinese goddess who flew to the
moon, is supposed to stay 200 km above the moon's surface to carry out
scientific explorations for one year.

Cameras on the 2,350-kilogram satellite are expected to photograph
every inch of the moon's surface by mid January.

The orbiter is expected to analyze the chemical and mineral
composition of the lunar surface and send data back to the Earth so
that scientists can better understand the moon's environment, Li
Guoping, the administration's spokesman, said in earlier reports.

Chang'e 1 blasted off on a Long March 3A carrier rocket on October 24
from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in Sichuan Province, marking
the first step of China's ambitious 10-year moon plan, which will lead
to a moon landing and launch of a moon rover around 2012.

In the third phase, scheduled for 2017, another rover will land on the
moon and return to earth with lunar soil and stone samples for
scientific research.

In 2003, China became only the third country in the world after the
United States and Russia to send a human into orbit.

(Shanghai Daily November 22, 2007)
-

Perhaps China will have little if any perpetrated cold-war need of any
faith-based cloak and dagger distorting or excluding of the truth, or
otherwise holding back their new and improved science data about our
naked, physically dark, somewhat salty and unavoidably reactive/
anticathode moon that has such an electrostatic dusty surface of
unusual mascon considerations, as well as being continually saturated
in cosmic gamma and X-rays (especially by day when it's also double IR
roasting everything in sight), within such a nearly zero atmospheric
density means having insignificant if any attinuation from all of that
surrounding gauntlet of primary and secondary/recoil radiation, not to
mention the lack of moderating the velocity of incoming physical
debris that's arriving from all directions, that's only speeding up
prior to whatever near-miss or likely impact.

Too bad that our NASA team of supposed wizards without their original
semitic Third Reich team can't even manage to establish a station-
keeping platform of science instruments, as interactively halo orbited
within the moon's L1 (robotic Clarke Station), however it is most
likely that Japan, China or India should not have such difficulties.
Of course, the most educated of Americans don't even know of what or
where the moon's L1 is, much less having any clue as to it's
technological value as a space depot/gateway in addition to the
absolutely terrific science improvements on behalf of Earth and moon
planetology, and that's not to mention those improved detections,
trackings and best possible management of NEOs as potential Earth
killers.
--
Brad Guth
BradGuth - 27 Nov 2007 04:12 GMT
NASA's uplink.space.com banishes the truth

In response to:
Poster: SPACEINVADOR
Subject: Re: Japan's Lunar Probe
http://uplink.space.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=askastronomer&Number=829401&
page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0


"There just isn't much reward when it comes to pictures from space,
IMO. We can take great photographs from earth of space/stars, but we
can't get those same quality or even better pictures from space?...
I'm not talking about pictures from telescopes."

"Ok, in the Lunar Probe pictures we can see the earth just as if it
were being viewed at night, even though it is day on that spot of the
moon. Are cameras like the human eyes? Does the pupil not dilate due
to the brightness reflected off the surface of the moon? I think not.
If I was on the moon where the Lunar Probe is and I was looking up
into the "blackness" of space and my eyes weren't affected from the
reflected light of the moon's surface, shouldn't I be able to see
something up there in space? Come on."
-

There are CCDs of 100+ fold better DR than film.

16 db of 131,057:1 or even 20db of 1,048,576:1 are technically doable
within scientific configured cameras, or at the very least sliding
their 12 bit DR of 4,096:1 towards utilizing either extreme of the
20+db CCD potential has been doable for quite some time.  Instead we
the public usually get to see all of 4, 5 or possibly as good as 6 db
worth, so as to easily exclude all but the brightest of items that'll
fall within that intentionally limited DR, and their version of robo
PhotoShop is what easily takes care of whatever else needs to get
excluded.

Basically, it's a faith-based kind of loaded card game they're
playing, and the stack of cards is always loaded in favor of the
house.

However, I honestly do not expect JAXA or especially of China to play
along with NASA's tired old game plan of intentionally excluding such
other worthy items from future images of our physically dark as coal
moon.
-- Brad Guth

-
Well lo and behold, it didn't take long for those pesky brown-nosed
rusemaster clowns of NASA's uplink.space.com borg like minion
collective, and of their semitic Third Reich to switch right back into
full butt-covering damage control action.  (it's what such semites as
pretend atheists do best)

I expect they'll be excluding or otherwise banishing everything I've
had to say, just as they did before.  Apparently sharing the whole
truth and nothing but the truth is simply against uplink.space.com
policy.

-
uplink.space.com goes directly into its usual book burning failsafe
mode:
"We cannot proceed."
"We encountered a problem. The reason reported was:"

"You have been banned from making any new posts or sending private
messages. The reason for this ban is: Returned banned member bradguth"

Gee Whiz folks, what another unexpected surprise.
BradGuth - 07 Dec 2007 02:58 GMT
Where's all of that Usenet love and affection when you need it, along
with those supposed better ideas and honest interpretations from all
of the new and improved data about our moon that's coming in?

In other words, do tell why is our moon still so officially NASA taboo/
nondisclosure rated, and/or getting faith-based banished along with
ignoring the active geothermal planetology truths about Venus, as
being kept so unusually off-limits?

Why are the pretend atheists that are in charge of most everything
still acting as though so unusually Old Testament sequestered within
their borg like collective or killer bee swarm like mindset, in that
the mere honest thoughts or considerations of other intelligent life
as having existed off-world but also so nearby is so gosh darn faith-
based insurmountable?

China, Japan and eventually India are no longer sitting back or having
to take another NASA no for an answer, and perhaps our Barack Obama
doesn't have to keep taking no for an answer for creating a fleet of
new and improved shuttles with fully reusable LRBs that can deliver
100+ tonnes of payload into LEO/ISS space instead of having to utilize
those polluting and only semi-reusable SRBs that can't accomplish 50
tonnes, seems like the right sort of thing to be doing as a 50/50 kind
of public/private alternative to the spendy NASA way of doing things.

This following link (still under construction or perhaps getting
moderated to death by our NASA) will soon enough become the start of
good things to come out of the KAGUYA(SELENE) mission.
http://wms.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.html

Just wait until their lunar exploration mission of mapping everything
in sight eventually works it's way down to orbiting at just 10 km
above that physically dark lunar surface, and subsequently gets those
one meter or better resolution images, plus that mission hosting loads
of nifty other gamma spectrum obtained data as to what the secondary/
recoil detecting of all those sorts of accessible raw elements which
our unusually massive and nearby moon has for us.

For some unexplained reasons, our NASA/Apollo wizards along with their
rad-hard Kodak film and unfiltered camera optics never had this
following UV-a induced violet/purple/bluish hue saturation problem.

However, notice that even with JAXA/Selene's most advanced camera CCDs
having quality coated optics including some specific bandpass lens
filtering, as to how purple/blush or even somewhat violet hue
saturated those initial full color images turned out.  It's exactly
what happens without using a very good set of optically sharp spectrum
cut-off and/or narrow bandpass filters in order to exclude those
strong primary and unavoidable secondary/recoil worth of what those
raw UV-a photons create, as otherwise for those images having been so
color/hue saturation skewed as though being illuminated by way of the
raw solar energy was entirely unavoidable, though can be somewhat
PhotoShop corrected after the fact. (they obviously should have
incorporated an optical layer coating of Y-48 deep yellow or as great
as Y-52 amber for the sharp cutting off of most all that's below 500
nm, along with an HA-50 layer or element for blocking IR, or simply by
having applied a custom NBPF [ECI-1020] multi-layer coated element)
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/en/communication/com_information_e.htm#NEW_20071116A

That other ongoing mission by China may not ever accomplish as good of
images, but of their next and the ones after that should not be the
least bit disappointing, because most of anything Japan can do, China
should be fully capable of accomplishing one better and at not 10% the
cost per deployed kg.
- Brad Guth
BradGuth - 09 Dec 2007 02:06 GMT
Whenever I'm tired I make lots of extra context and typing errors.
However, since my Google/NOVA Usenet account has not been allowing for
subsequent edits by way of entirely removing postigs with such errors,
I'll just have to keep adding to the stack as best I can.  Sorry about
that.

So what if our moon is getting recorded as such a nifty blue?

What hurts most of all is our getting duped by the likes of Walter
Cronkite in addition to our being snookered by all of those as
supposedly having "the right stuff".  Perhaps our investigative Dan
Rather can eventually help kick Walter Cronkite's butt on our behalf.

Honestly folks, with all of the new and improved science about our
moon coming in, there's yet another something of so many other issues
that just isn't sitting right with what our NASA/Apollo wizards had
been telling us, and fully supported by their army of such brown-nosed
minions that reside right here within Usenet naysay land of hosting
their government bad deed denials upon denials.

It seems their physics and subsequent published science just doesn't
add up, pretty much exactly as it never really did, nor do they even
have what it takes in the way of any human pilot fly-by-rocket flown
lander as of 40 years after the fact.

If you don't happen to know anything first hand about photography and
the well established science of optical/lens filtering, so that such
recorded spectrums of our naked moon isn't getting pushed so terribly
off-hue saturated for looking so unusually blue, that's OK because
there is more than sufficient expertise with replicated proof of
exactly what's going on.

Just because our own government has so often lied to us on a fairly
regular basis, as such doesn't represent that everything about our
faith-based puppeteered government is in the nearest space-toilet,
just most of everything associated with those Apollo missions is at
full risk of being exposed for what it really is.

Of course, all such exposed tips of these sorts of infowar icebergs
are clear indications of lots more truth to come.
- Brad Guth

> NASA's uplink.space.com banishes the truth
>
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>
> Gee Whiz folks, what another unexpected surprise.
BradGuth - 11 Dec 2007 15:01 GMT
If it wasn't for my limited Usenet efforts, it looks as though there
wouldn't have been hardly one constructive mention of anything on
behalf of either Japan or China accomplishing such terrific science
about our moon.  Of course China needs to know certain things before
their robust and rad-hard robotics get deployed upon that physically
dark and dusty surface, or even before setting up anything as station-
keeping within the moon's L1.
- Brad Guth

> NASA's uplink.space.com banishes the truth
>
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>
> Gee Whiz folks, what another unexpected surprise.
BradGuth - 17 Dec 2007 16:15 GMT
Just because the secondary/recoil worth of those bluish photons as
coming off our moon are so unavoidable, is of itself no good reason
for being ignored and/or having banished such new and improved science
that's now arriving from those lunar missions of the China/Chang'e and
Japan/JAXA's Selene.

Isn't there a little something about telling the truth that's good
enough for a 5th grader?

To tell the truth, with China and Japan each sharing other truths
about our unusually surface massive moon, of its physically dark
surface and cosmic accumulations of nifty substances that's in many
places worth tens of such crystal dry and downright dusty meters deep,
as well as looking so unusually but unavoidably secondary/recoil
photon bluish to those insufficiently filtered cameras, whereas it's
no wonder these Usenet rusemaster spooks and moles of what's mostly
Google/NOVA are doing all they can muster in order to banish our
contributions and otherwise trash my poor old PC.

Because Usenet is such a public accessible medium is obviously why it
has been an all out infowar, of those insider folks doing all they can
to traumatize or otherwise terminate those of us suggesting we haven't
always been told the truth, especially by way of our NASA/Apollo
wizards as supposedly having "the right stuff".

You'd think that because that unusually surface massive and nearby
moon has not always been with us, and there is some kind of other
intelligent life existing/coexisting on Venus, in that reading a few
published articles that are entirely outside of our NASA O-Ring cult
of those Old Testament scriptures might be a darn good idea.
- Brad Guth
BradGuth - 21 Dec 2007 14:30 GMT
We're being lied to again and again.  In other words, it seems their
MI5/CIA boss or MIB agent that's likely standing directly behind each
operator of their spendy supercomputer work stations (with a loaded
gun pointed at each of their empty heads) is not about to allow any
public Usenet chat about our unusually blue moon, or much less about
how their NASA and of those rad-hard Apollo wizards, along with all
that Semitic Third Reich kind of right stuff as having so nicely
managed to hide Venus.

JAXA / SELENE (KAGUYA)
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/en/communication/com_information_e.htm#NEW_20071214A

Notice their intentional color removal of the moon, and of those very
same images as otherwise depicting mother Earth in full color.

Notice down the page of those other full color images of just the moon
itself along with parts of the their spacecraft as depicted in such a
nifty bluish saturation hue.  Remember that Selene's quality optics
had been bandpass coated in order to cut out the vast bulk of UV and
IR to start with.

The rather impressive blue saturated hue is clearly an expected color
shift or tint, that's due to all of the raw secondary/recoil of what
most reactive items getting UV saturated should look like to such a
bandpass filtered CCD or especially to that of an unfiltered Kodak
film recorded image.

Unfortunately, their "KAGUYA Image Gallery" that's apparently forever
stuck with using the "Adobe(R) Flash Player(R)" is what seriously
sucks, as sharing far less than full resolution and otherwise running
extremely poorly on most computers w/o a super fast internet
connection and lots of extra PC memory.

The science from their "X-ray Spectrometer(XRS)" and "Gamma Ray
Spectrometer(GRS)" being equally saturated at much greater levels than
expected, as such may also have to become excluded from the public,
because of such data being so unexpectedly intense or off-scale that
an entirely new effort at obtaining such intended science about the
complex surface of our physically dark moon may have to wait for the
next available mission.  Perhaps the lunar exploration efforts by
India will have adapted the necessary narrow bandpass of sufficient
optical filtering, as well as for having greater XRS/GRS scope in
order to properly deal with the unusual gamma and X-ray intensity of
what that naked and very anticathode moon actually represents.
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 21 Dec 2007 17:39 GMT
Is there any good reason(s) as to why the JAXA/SELENE(KAGUYA) science
via their "X-ray Spectrometer(XRS)" and "Gamma Ray Spectrometer(GRS)"
is being kept secret?

The Moon is not actually BLUE, except to the unfiltered eye.  A good
orange/amber worth of an optical spectrum filter (as added onto their
otherwise bandpass coated lens) would have permitted a somewhat more
natural color looking moon, as though viewed from Earth by using a
quality telescope that's getting extensively filtered by our polluted
atmosphere and secondly by the rather extensive 8r(8X radius) worth of
sodium atmosphere associated with that moon.

However, it looks as though we're still being lied to again and again
by NASA's rusemasters in charge of snookering humanity for all it's
worth.  In other words, it seems their MI5/CIA boss or MIB agent in
charge of damage control that's likely standing directly behind each
operator of all those spendy supercomputer work stations (with a
loaded gun pointed at each of their empty heads) is not about to allow
any public Usenet chat about our physically dark and such an unusually
blue moon, or much less about how their NASA and of those rad-hard
Apollo wizards, along with all that Semitic Third Reich kind of right
stuff as having so nicely managed to always avoid those blue saturated
hues as well as their having always hidden Venus at the same time.

JAXA / SELENE (KAGUYA)
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/en/communication/com_information_e.htm#NEW_20071214A

Notice their intentional color removal of the moon itself, and of
those very same images as otherwise depicting mother Earth in full
color. (it's quite easy to prove this being the case)

Down on the same page are those other original full color images of
mostly the moon itself along with parts of the their spacecraft as
depicted within such a nifty bluish saturation hue.  Remember that
Selene's quality optics had been custom bandpass coated in order to
cut out the vast bulk of UV and IR to start with.

The rather impressive blue saturated hue or color skewed amount of
color tint is clearly that of an expected color shift or blue
saturated image result, that's unavoidably their CCD obtained result
of the raw secondary/recoil worth of what most such reactive items as
getting UV saturated should always look like to such a bandpass
filtered CCD w/o having the necessary color correction filter, as
otherwise especially blue saturated as to that of what any unfiltered
Kodak film recorded image (via NASA/Apollo) should have depicted.

Unfortunately, the JAXA "KAGUYA Image Gallery" that's apparently
forever stuck with using the "Adobe(R) Flash Player(R)" is what
seriously sucks, as sharing far less than full resolution and
otherwise running extremely poorly on most computers w/o a super fast
internet connection and lots of extra PC memory.

The science from their "X-ray Spectrometer(XRS)" and "Gamma Ray
Spectrometer(GRS)" as likely being equally saturated at much greater
levels than expected, as such may also have to become excluded from
the general public, because of such data being so unexpectedly intense
or off-scale, in that an entirely new effort at obtaining such
intended science about the complex surface of our physically dark moon
may have to wait for the next available mission.  Perhaps the lunar
exploration efforts by India will have adapted the necessary narrow
bandpass of sufficient optical spectrum filtering with sufficient
color correction, as well as for their science instruments having
either greater XRS/GRS scope or much tighter resolution in order to
properly deal with the unusual gamma and X-ray intensity of what that
naked and very anticathode moon actually represents.

KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV/CCD imaging getting its first full solar dosage
or skewed saturation of those pesky raw secondary photons, as for
looking rather deep blue.
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/20071021_kaguya_e.pdf
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/en/
Notice as to all of the unavoidable UV secondary/recoil worth of
bluish and/or extra purple/violet saturation that KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV
is having to deal with, even though their having incorporated a
sufficient UV spectrum cut-off filter and currently using not more
than a few percent worth of their HDTV dynamic range(DR), even so
having no problems with recording the physically dark moon along with
Earth that's not even half the albedo worth of Venus which has greater
than 2.6 kw/m2 to work with.  Far better images are soon enough going
to be accomplished, especially with those other onboard CCD
instruments that'll far exceed what most of our previous science about
our extremely unusual moon had to say.
- Brad Guth -
BradGuth - 25 Dec 2007 22:24 GMT
> NASA's uplink.space.com banishes the truth
>
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>
> Gee Whiz folks, what another unexpected surprise.

Is anything JAXA that pertains to our physically dark blue moon still
sequestered as taboo/nondisclosure rated? (apparently so)

Is the blue moon as imaged by China not actually out moon, at least
according to all that's NASA/Apollo would like to think? (apparently
so)

How about the lunar orbital mission as planned by India.  Is that one
also going to get officially uplink.space.com and otherwise Usenet
banished because of their science being similar to that of Japan and
China? (apparently)

- Brad Guth
BradGuth - 26 Dec 2007 20:06 GMT
Perhaps everything of Japan and China that's getting such new and
improved science data about our unusually massive and nearby moon is
having to be mainstream taboo/nondisclosure rated, all because it's
too freaking honest and clearly not sufficiently Semitic to suit those
in charge of our private parts.

As having said this so often before;  Our blue moon as having been
recently color CCD imaged with quality bandpass coated optics is in
fact looking rather secondary/recoil photon bluish, pretty much as it
should appear to those insufficiently filtered cameras.

BTW, our moon's albedo on average of 0.11 is nearly as physically dark
as an open pit coal mine.  Go figure upon which other nearly white
guano island sort of moon as having been xenon arc lamp spectrum
illuminated that our rad-hard Apollo wizards landed upon, instead of
the physically dark and unavoidably reactive basalt naked surface of
such iron, cobalt, sodium and titanium worth of our crystal dry and
extremely dusty moon that's upon average so physically darker than
basalt, and as such representing that unavoidably gamma and X-ray
anticathode nasty environment in addition to all of its naked basalt
surface as being so unavoidably electrostatic charged.

- Brad Guth
BradGuth - 27 Dec 2007 20:50 GMT
> Perhaps everything of Japan and China that's getting such new and
> improved science data about our unusually massive and nearby moon is
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> - Brad Guth

Just because their nicely bandpass filtered images of our moon keep
turning out as for looking so gosh darn physically dark and as though
rather dusty and bluish, is not a very good reason for those new and
improved images of such good resolution getting so mainstream excluded
or otherwise banished.  At least that's what I think.

- Brad Guth
BradGuth - 01 Jan 2008 07:20 GMT
> Perhaps everything of Japan and China that's getting such new and
> improved science data about our unusually massive and nearby moon is
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> - Brad Guth

Selene is still taboo/nondisclosure rated, and it's still looking
every bit as physically dark and with that pesky bluish hue in spite
of those quality bandpass optical coatings.

- Brad Guth
BradGuth - 01 Jan 2008 20:47 GMT
> Perhaps everything of Japan and China that's getting such new and
> improved science data about our unusually massive and nearby moon is
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> - Brad Guth

BTW, why exactly is our resident spook/mole "MI5 Persecution" getting
so gosh darn upset about folks sharing the truth?

- Brad Guth
BradGuth - 05 Jan 2008 20:47 GMT
> Perhaps everything of Japan and China that's getting such new and
> improved science data about our unusually massive and nearby moon is
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> - Brad Guth

Apparently those terrific 3D perspective images of 10 raw meters per
pixel that so far can't muster up one large item worth of anything
NASA/Apollo is getting downright testy.  Perhaps our NASA rusemasters
will have to nuke Japan once again for good measure, either that or
getting those Boeing ABLs taking a few DoD practice IR laser cannon
shots at JAXA's Selene, much like DoD allowed the use of our shuttle
Columbia as a nifty remote thermal energy sensing target.

- Brad Guth
BradGuth - 09 Jan 2008 19:14 GMT
For what reason(s) is the JAXA Selene mission so unusually taboo/
nondisclosure rated?

Is the JAXA Selene mission broken, or just getting nailed by something
unofficially NASA?

Apparently whatever I happen think doesn't matter, because what I
think is that we've been rather terribly snookered and dumbfounded to
death by those of our very own kind, as by those supposedly having
"the right stuff", whereas what you silly folks of Usenet fuckology
think as representing the official infomercial spewing clowns and
rusemasters of your Old Testament thumping Third Reich, is apparently
all that matters.

You'd think before our going off into the wild black yonder, that
perhaps it would be a good idea as to accomplish our extremely massive
and nearby moon, or at least park a little something of a fuel cache
or Boeing like oasis of fuel(s) within the moon's L1.

BTW, where's that JAXA Selene pixel truth and nothing but the truth to
behold? (hiding like Muslim WMD or like Venus always having kept
itself out of sight?)

Even if it's looking a touch worthy of all that nifty hue saturated as
a secondary/recoil blue (exactly as it should), and otherwise for
seeing our "right stuff" that's supposedly upon that physically dark
as an open pit coal mine of a dusty surface, whereas those highly
reflective and fairly large items of our NASA Apollo moon landings
should have been rather easily spotted against that physically dark
surface, not to mention the acre or more of their terribly disrupted
lunar surface standing out as an artificial sore thumb, and that's
even though the 10 meter resolution can't offer specific item or
terrain detail simply isn't the problem.

BTW No.2, I can't but help see the usual gauntlet of Usenet spermware/
fuckware arriving, as though the mostly Jewish troops of NASA's borg
army of brown-nosed clowns and minions are doing their job of tossing
flak, covering thy infowar spewing butts and otherwise mustering up as
much other damage control as possible, pretty much the same as they
provided on behalf of and as to what their old puppet warlord Hitler
used to do (of course these days it's all about doing whatever GW Bush
wants).

- Brad Guth
BradGuth - 11 Jan 2008 16:29 GMT
That's odd.  Still not so much as one JAXA Selene pixel of anything
worth interpreting as NASA/Apollo worthy.

It must be all of that fairly large and highly reflective stuff is
covered up with the moon's physically dark and electrostatic charged
dust, or simply too deeply situated in its crater to otherwise being
seen by such quality optics and of sufficient resolution.

- Brad Guth

> For what reason(s) is the JAXA Selene mission so unusually taboo/
> nondisclosure rated?
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> - Brad Guth
BradGuth - 14 Jan 2008 06:11 GMT
Is anything JAXA on our NO FLY list?

- Brad Guth

> For what reason(s) is the JAXA Selene mission so unusually taboo/
> nondisclosure rated?
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> - Brad Guth
BradGuth - 17 Jan 2008 14:17 GMT
Even though JAXA's Selene mission has been taking those absolutely
nifty 3D and 10 meter resolution images of our NASA/Apollo landing
sites, and yet lo and behold there's still not one viable pixel worth
of anything bright and shiny to behold, which is rather odd against
that otherwise physically dark moon.  Perhaps publishing such images
lacking in anything NASA/Apollo or of anything of a substantial USSR
robotic nature would be best avoided.  Eventually as the Selene
mission closes out, it'll get down to cruising at just 10 km and
thereby capable of delivering those one meter per pixel resolutions,
which should at least show us the crater like remains of whatever had
managed to impact or at best hard-land upon our moon.

Notice all of the topic/author banishment except for those pesky MI5/
CIA spooks, moles and official mainstream rusemasters doing all they
can muster in order to damage and/or to traumatize those of us sharing
in the best available truths.  Of course that is faith-based business
as per Skull and Bones usual, as well as why their having created 9/11
and we are at war, headed towards WWIII because of their global fossil
fuel domination plan (especially that part about or taking of or
elimination of Muslim oil) hasn't been going as well as hoped.

Too bad we can't even focus upon getting POOF City established at
Venus L2, much less of any Clarke Station or LSE-CM/ISS situated
within our Moon's L1.  Perhaps China and India will help us out of
this mess as having been created by those Old Testament thumping
puppeteers in charge of our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush).

At least as far as we know, Venus isn't Islamic/Muslim populated, but
of course that notion could change if we actually took a closer look-
see, much the same as those ETs with their extremely big and flashy
UFOs are looking at us, except for merely a good laugh (must be why
Texas is getting the most recent ET/UFO attention, because Texas is
funny).
- Brad Guth

> For what reason(s) is the JAXA Selene mission so unusually taboo/
> nondisclosure rated?
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> - Brad Guth
BradGuth - 27 Jan 2008 04:49 GMT
What the hell is Japan's Selene mission hiding?

Why not share those nearly 3D images of 10 meter resolution?

Is JAXA and NASA/Apollo sleeping in the same bed?

- Brad Guth

> For what reason(s) is the JAXA Selene mission so unusually taboo/
> nondisclosure rated?
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> - Brad Guth
BradGuth - 27 Jan 2008 21:22 GMT
Good freaking grief; do I actually need to post pictures?
. - Brad Guth

> For what reason(s) is the JAXA Selene mission so unusually taboo/
> nondisclosure rated?
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> - Brad Guth
BradGuth - 30 Jan 2008 05:42 GMT
Apparently the moon's gamma and hard-X-rays are taking their toll on
CNSA's Chang'e-1 and JAXA's Selene, not to mention those two extremes
of thermal trauma.  Otherwise we should have been given a look-see at
hundreds if not thousands of quality images by now.
- Brad Guth

> For what reason(s) is the JAXA Selene mission so unusually taboo/
> nondisclosure rated?
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> - Brad Guth