Black Hole with a mass of 300 Billion Suns

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G=EMC^2 Glazier - 28 Jul 2007 23:59 GMT

Its light will arrive 8 billion years from now. Humankind will never
see it. It is one of the universe's oldest and further from us
objects. At this space time it has absorbed its huge galaxy. It gets
its matter now that was the rim of the galaxy made of dust. This great
gravity gets dust particles up to the to the smallest fraction speed of
light that each dust particle has the weight of a white dwarf,and gives
off the same amount of EM energy. This is the reason this colossal
black hole can be seen at a distance of 18 billion light years. Its
gravitation is to strong to have an accretion disk. It has an
horizon,but no surface. It has a size of 6 LY in diameter,but its
dimension is not reality. It relates best as a "point" in the cosmos
Nothing relates to its inner structure. It has no inner structure.It has
no inner motion It has no inner particles.nor waves. It just is. bert

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Starman - 29 Jul 2007 08:27 GMT

You can't see a black hole, you can see the effect but never the black hole
itself
remember in a black hole not even light can escape, so how do you "see" the
light at a distance of 18 billon LY
isn't there a limit for the size of a black hole ?
and dosn't only galaxy of big enough size have a black hole in the center

and what do we really know about whats beyond the event horizon, no laws of
physic apply here

> Its light will arrive 8 billion years from now. Humankind will never
> see it. It is one of the universe's oldest and further from us
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> Nothing relates to its inner structure. It has no inner structure.It has
> no inner motion It has no inner particles.nor waves. It just is. bert

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nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net - 29 Jul 2007 13:40 GMT

> You can't see a black hole, you can see the effect but never the black hole
> itself
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> and what do we really know about whats beyond the event horizon, no laws of
> physic apply here

We're dealing with the current definition of "physics", which is by
all accounts pathetically incomplete. It's probable our universe
exists inside a 5 (or maybe more) dimensional black hole, or has
as one of its fundamental components an as-yet undiscovered
constant. Black holes may be gateways either to other universes,
or (in my opinion) to that state which exists beyond illusory being
and non-being, referred to as the eternal state in most religions.
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925381.200-life-inside-a-bl
ack-hole.html

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G=EMC^2 Glazier - 29 Jul 2007 18:30 GMT

Starman I'm surprised you did not say I'm a "rambling idiot" ?? After
all 8 billion years from now is far out thinking. A time when humankind
no longer exists. A time when the age and size of the universe has no
one to measure. A spacetime when no events are witnessed
Well we do live in the best of spacetimes bert

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G=EMC^2 Glazier - 30 Jul 2007 12:45 GMT

The diameter of a black hole can give us clues to hard unanswered
questions concerning the universe. We know the size of quasars are the
size of our solar system. We can see the elliptical galaxy NGC 7052,and
its has a 300 million solar masses for its BH Easy theory is that a
black hole with a mass of 300 billion Suns is getting close to the
horizon of the universe. Its light is still 8 billion years away.
In back of this light will be light from a "White Hole" ,and this light
comes from the first gamma photons of the big bang. bert

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BradGuth - 31 Jul 2007 01:33 GMT

> The diameter of a black hole can give us clues to hard unanswered
> questions concerning the universe. We know the size of quasars are the
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> In back of this light will be light from a "White Hole" ,and this light
> comes from the first gamma photons of the big bang. bert

By the time anyone gets a good enough look-see, it'll be too late
(even if you're Jewish).
- Brad Guth

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Michael Baldwin, Bruce - 31 Jul 2007 01:40 GMT

> Its light will arrive 8 billion years from now.

Right. Its light. 8 billion years from now.

> Humankind will never see it.

Not 8 billion years from now anyway.

> It is one of the universe's oldest and further from us
> objects. At this space time it has absorbed its huge galaxy. It gets
> its matter now that was the rim of the galaxy made of dust. This great
> gravity gets dust particles up to the to the smallest fraction speed of
> light that each dust particle has the weight of a white dwarf,and gives
> off the same amount of EM energy.

So a dust particle can give off the same amount of EM energy as a
white dwarf. Interesting.

> This is the reason this colossal
> black hole can be seen at a distance of 18 billion light years.

Oh, it can be seen. And at 18 billion light years. Interesting.

> Its gravitation is to strong to have an accretion disk.

It is?

> It has an horizon,but no surface.

OK.

> It has a size of 6 LY in diameter,but its
> dimension is not reality.

That's unreal!

> It relates best as a "point" in the cosmos
> Nothing relates to its inner structure. It has no inner structure.It has
> no inner motion It has no inner particles.nor waves. It just is. bert

This one's a keeper, Blert.

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Space Forum / Astronomy / July 2007

Black Hole with a mass of 300 Billion Suns