22 billion years ago the BB created Time,matter by using the great force
of gravity to compress the energy of space which is intrinsic...We can
read all the theories that happened in that space time to 'now' Now I
see the universe having the shape of a negative curve(saddle shape) I
wrote this post to bring out my idea in 22 billion years from "now" then
u7universe will have no shape Why? The universe will be expanding so
rapidly,and becoming almost empty,having shape will be meaningless,and
can't relate. Beeert
G=EMC^2 Glazier - 28 Apr 2007 13:10 GMT
Reality is the universe of "now" has lost 93% of its objects that gave
off EM radiation. We call this "missing mass,and energy" we have only
their gravitational force,and we should be very thankful for that. It is
easy to theorize that our present spacetime is ruled by black
dwarfs.,dust.,black nebula clouds,and black holes of every size. I as
you know have the universe as 22 billion years old,but this thinking
would add 100 billion or more years to its age Go figure
bert
Double-A - 28 Apr 2007 18:24 GMT
> 22 billion years ago the BB created Time,matter by using the great force
> of gravity to compress the energy of space which is intrinsic...We can
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> rapidly,and becoming almost empty,having shape will be meaningless,and
> can't relate. Beeert
Bert, the universe's acceleratated expansion implies a force being
applied. Is this dark energy, or the effect of colliding branes? How
do we know that force will be constant? What if God takes his foot
off the accelerator, so to speak? If the rate of acceleration can
change, then the fate of the universe is unknown.
Double-A
Art Deco - 28 Apr 2007 20:28 GMT
>> 22 billion years ago the BB created Time,matter by using the great force
>> of gravity to compress the energy of space which is intrinsic...We can
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>off the accelerator, so to speak? If the rate of acceleration can
>change, then the fate of the universe is unknown.
Have you congratulated the rabid racist Brad Guth on his promotion to
pseudoscience ossifer yet?
>Double-A

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G=EMC^2 Glazier - 28 Apr 2007 20:34 GMT
Double-A i'm basing all this on the '
fact' that the photons are getting redder and redder. That means
accelerating space expanding is in,and having it stop expanding is out.
God has a heavy foot on the accelerator Beeert
BradGuth - 28 Apr 2007 21:51 GMT
> 22 billion years ago the BB created Time,matter by using the great force
> of gravity to compress the energy of space which is intrinsic...We can
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> rapidly,and becoming almost empty,having shape will be meaningless,and
> can't relate. Beeert
What was the physical size and subsequent mass of that first and
rather Godly black hole, that which supposedly gave birth to our BB
universe?
How does the mass/universe of whatever 1e100 atoms sound?
If our universe was materialized by way of getting itself shot out the
north pole of whatever massive black hole, How close is the next
available BB universe that got summarily shot out the south pole of
that same massive black hole?
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Brad Guth
Art Deco - 28 Apr 2007 22:06 GMT
>How does the mass/universe of whatever 1e100 atoms sound?
English, please?

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BradGuth - 29 Apr 2007 05:25 GMT
> 22 billion years ago the BB created Time,matter by using the great force
> of gravity to compress the energy of space which is intrinsic...We can
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> rapidly,and becoming almost empty,having shape will be meaningless,and
> can't relate. Beeert
What was the physical size and subsequent mass of that first and
rather Godly black hole, that which supposedly gave birth to our BB
universe?
If a Godly massive enough black hole had a great deal more than 2e100
atoms to start with, how well does the mass per universe of perhaps
1e100 atoms seem to fit?
If our universe was in fact materialized by way of getting itself shot
out the north pole of whatever massive black hole, then how close by
is the next available BB universe that got summarily shot out the
south pole of that very same massive black hole?
Or was it all merely a God fart of something much greater.
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G=EMC^2 Glazier - 29 Apr 2007 13:03 GMT
93% of universe's gravitation is missing,and 72% is from missing dark
energy. My theory is this dark energy is the intrinsic energy of space
it can only be found in the quantum, super string realm. It is not part
of our macro realm. We detect only its gravity. This dark energy has no
charge.No EM radiation. It in reality is the gravitational waves we
have been trying to detect. Space energy + Gravity created the first
universe (BB) Space energy + gravity has evolved the universe as we
see it at this present spacetime. This begs this question Why
when I keep putting these gravity ideas together I keep getting a
picture of a dog going round,and round catching its own tail? bert
BradGuth - 29 Apr 2007 23:58 GMT
> 93% of universe's gravitation is missing,and 72% is from missing dark
> energy. My theory is this dark energy is the intrinsic energy of space
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> when I keep putting these gravity ideas together I keep getting a
> picture of a dog going round,and round catching its own tail? bert
Take a look-see:
The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighbourhood, by Nordström
et al., as having been further improved by Hipparcos data:
http://www.aanda.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=71&Itemid=42&lang=en
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Forget about all the other intelligent life within this vast and
deeply complex universe that's supposedly going away from us faster
than we can possibly keep up with, much less overtake. Even within
our vast Milky Way galaxy is simply of what's for the most part too
far away and moving further away at too fast of velocity as to bother
with, as that is how it works if you don't happen to believe in the
truth of stellar proper motions as having that pesky 225 million year
cycle that keeps bringing all sorts of stuff together.
Galaxies and the Expanding Universe / Structure of Milky Way
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=36827
Just one of many complex though otherwise good efforts for sharing the
most accurate of 2D animations on behalf of depicting our local
stellar proper motions, that's entirely relative as to our Sol that
not worth 0.0000001% (a billionth) of what otherwise every bit as good
or better for having hosted their own locally evolved intelligent
life, especially if such human intelligence only takes at most a few
million years under the right conditions.
The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighbourhood, by Nordström
et al., as having been further improved by Hipparcos data:
http://www.aanda.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=71&Itemid=42&lang=en
This computer animated 225 million year galactic rotation or galactic
life cycle offers absolute loads of somewhat less massive stellar
cycles that are clearly of what's ongoing as much closer to our Sol,
that's specifically associated by way of that graphic blue dot
representation of our insignificant little solar system.
Though intentionally exaggerated, notice how extensive their expansion
and contraction cycle is, as for that graphic animation having
indicated as to how such stellar motions are far more interactive and
thereby entirely capable of influencing our environment, whereas so
much of that stellar activity becomes near our somewhat insignificant
solar system, so much so in that it seems somewhat impossible for the
likes of Sirius not to have become closely interrelated with us.
Perhaps there's a little less doubt we're unavoidably orbiting Sirius
(at least getting as close as 0.086 ly), and at such mutual encounters
whereas each of us becomes capable of exchanging a few icy and perhaps
even a touch worth of salty items, and/or exchanging a few physical
blows from within our respective Oort clouds of somewhat substantial
debris (especially from the robust Sirius side of this highly
illuminating and interactive Oort zone gauntlet).
A few interesting sets of new and improved stellar 3D maps:
The Universe within 12.5 Light Years
http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/12lys.html
http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/20lys.html
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Phineas T Puddleduck - 30 Apr 2007 01:16 GMT
> Perhaps there's a little less doubt we're unavoidably orbiting Sirius
> (at least getting as close as 0.086 ly), and at such mutual encounters
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> debris (especially from the robust Sirius side of this highly
> illuminating and interactive Oort zone gauntlet).
THERE IS NO ORBITAL MOTION AROUND SIRIUS YOU BRIN DEAD LOON.
Sheesh

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BradGuth - 30 Apr 2007 06:53 GMT
On Apr 29, 5:16 pm, Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> In article <1177887524.882503.228...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
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>
> THERE IS NO ORBITAL MOTION AROUND SIRIUS YOU BRIN DEAD LOON.
You've got that proof within a NASA 3D orbital simulator? (didn't
think so)
Why exactly don't our regular laws of gravity work off-world?
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Brad Guth
Art Deco - 30 Apr 2007 17:15 GMT
>On Apr 29, 5:16 pm, Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>
>Why exactly don't our regular laws of gravity work off-world?
You got that proof that "our regular laws of gravity" don't work
off-world, Brad?

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