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A picture from space of the Earth and the Moon together...

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dlzc - 31 Jul 2008 17:39 GMT
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1749463620080718?feedType=RSS&fe
edName=scienceNews


I tried to find where someone had asked this question about 3 years
ago, to append it there, but Google did not help me.

The Moon sure looks a lot dimmer than it appears to be at night!

David A. Smith
Androcles - 31 Jul 2008 18:23 GMT
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1749463620080718?feedType=RSS&fe
edName=scienceNews


| I tried to find where someone had asked this question about 3 years
| ago, to append it there, but Google did not help me.
|
| The Moon sure looks a lot dimmer than it appears to be at night!
|
| David A. Smith

So dirt is darker than cloud...amazing.
dlzc - 31 Jul 2008 19:00 GMT
Hello Androcles:

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1749463620080718?feed...

> | The Moon sure looks a lot dimmer than it appears to be at night!
>
> So dirt is darker than cloud...amazing.

It is darker than the portion of Africa (?) showing too.  I hear there
is dirt there too.

David A. Smith
Androcles - 31 Jul 2008 19:47 GMT
Hello Androcles:

On Jul 31, 10:23 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> "dlzc" <dl...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:c544ff0b-e227-4aae-ab87-7b3733434d87@a6g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1749463620080718?feed...

> | The Moon sure looks a lot dimmer than it appears to be at night!
>
> So dirt is darker than cloud...amazing.

It is darker than the portion of Africa (?) showing too.  I hear there
is dirt there too.

David A. Smith

You are looking at a contrast of the shadow side of the Moon
and sunlit Sahara.
Contrasts can be deceiving as this demo shows.
 http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/lum_adelsonCheckShadow/index.html

Luna's albedo is far less than Charon's.
 http://www.nineplanets.org/pluto.html#charon

"Though the sum of the masses of Pluto and Charon is known pretty well (it
can be determined from careful measurements of the period and radius of
Charon's orbit and basic physics) the individual masses of Pluto and Charon
are difficult to determine because that requires determining their mutual
motions around the center of mass of the system which requires much finer
measurements -- they're so small and far away that even HST has difficulty.
The ratio of their masses is probably somewhere between 0.084 and 0.157;
more observations are underway but we won't get really accurate data until a
spacecraft is sent.
Pluto is the second most contrasty body in the Solar System (after Iapetus).
"

 http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1996/09

 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/phyopt/albedo.html

Note that Earth's albedo is only slightly greater than Jupiter's, the Moon's

comparable to Mercury's.
OG - 31 Jul 2008 20:23 GMT
> http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1749463620080718?feedType=RSS&fe
edName=scienceNews

>
> I tried to find where someone had asked this question about 3 years
> ago, to append it there, but Google did not help me.
>
> The Moon sure looks a lot dimmer than it appears to be at night!

As I recall, the albedo of the moon (11%) is reckoned to be similar to that
of a blackboard* - whereas the Earth's albedo  (37%) is more than 3 times
greater

*I'm not sure whether this is meant to be an average 'classroom'
blackboard**, or a newly painted one.

** they used to be used in classrooms before teachers were given laptops and
whiteboards
OG - 31 Jul 2008 22:43 GMT
>> http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1749463620080718?feedType=RSS&fe
edName=scienceNews

>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> ** they used to be used in classrooms before teachers were given laptops
> and whiteboards

A little googling uncovered this image from the Deep Impact explorer taken
in May 2008 showing the Earth and Moon

http://www.planetary.org/image/Earth-Moon.png

I kinda assume it's not a composite image, but wouldn't mind if I'm wrong.
dlzc - 31 Jul 2008 23:56 GMT
Dear OG:

[snipped link broken by Google.Groups...]

> >> I tried to find where someone had asked this
> >> question about 3 years ago, to append it there,
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> I kinda assume it's not a composite image, but
> wouldn't mind if I'm wrong.-

Not composite, same story I linked, just you correctly identified the
name of the spacecraft.  Somewhere there is a "slideshow" too...

I'd go with a "dirty blackboard" that needs to be cleaned.  The
brightness of the Earth will cause the image to bloom if they left the
image exposing longer.

Funny how there are no stars in this image either... wonder what the
Apollo hoaxers make of that?

David A. Smith
 
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