Space Forum / Astronomy / July 2008

Roswell is filled with so many mistakes, it is laughable:

- the craft was not even a flying saucer design, but a delta shape
with upturned wingtips
- it had a cockpit and crew compartment (3 men in a row) that was
struck by lightning in a storm and burned the crew alive in the oxygen
rich environment
- the nose section (aircraft) broke off during the crash and seperated
- if it was a weather balloon, how come the US Army sealed the entire
area and brought in a massive transport to remove a huge section of
what had to be the fuselage?
- if it was a weather balloon, then why was a huge component put on a
B-29 under heavy guard and flown out to a secure military
installation?
- all the statements about aliens and flying saucers come from second
and third hand sources rather than the initial newspaper report of
what was interpreted as an alien craft (if the farmer had seen a
Horten Parabola mod, or Ho-X delta it would have seemed alien in
1947).
- the real description of the delta is exactluy like the Ho-X final
design even with the anti-radar grooves cut into the lower fuselage
- the material that was light and would not burn could have been
Luftschwamm (Aerosponge) that could resist 1000 degrees F- a porous
material to eliminate the need for jet intakes on future Luftwaffe a/c
and discs
- the strange writing may be nothing more than Japanese if the crew
was mixed due to the craft's FUGO-type atmospheric balloon designed to
be launched at sea to carry it to heights above the USSR for spying

I firmly believe that fact is the only part of the story that is
right- the balloon was carrier for the spycraft delta that was
designed to loiter over the USSR at high altitude and then ditch the
balloon and glide back to the Pacific ocean where it would be picked
up by a US carrier group and the photos processed on the ship.

Unconventional, but definately not alien.

It was supposed to have a small rocket motor to boost-glide and that
mixed with the oxygen in the crew compartment probably burned all
night and reduced the human remains to charred 4 foot corpses.

No grays.

Rob

p.s. This story died in 1947 but the hype began in the 70s when an
author published the so-called alien connection.

The Allies already captured German advanced small arms, rocket
weapons, the V-1s and V-2s, super-subs, Tiger tanks, etc... they were
NOT looking for those items. They were looking for a German atomic
bomb, radiologicals, beam weaponry, disc aircraft, rail guns, nerve
gases, and almost everything else the SS Technical Branch was working
on including advanced medicine, metallurgy, pre-fabrication methods,
chemical and bio research, synthetic fuels, and more.

Special intel teams were set up for the more exotic technologies and
subsequently we have Allied classifications of German weapons for
75-100 years. You gotta ask yourself WHAT in 1945 could possibly be
classified until 2045. When you consider magnetic wave weapons,
aircraft that flew with no visable means of propulsion, beam weapons,
force fields,  and a superbomb meant for Manhatten in one form or
another (via Amerika Bomber 1945, Prufstand XII, A-9/A-10 or cluster
rocket, or by space)... then it makes sense.

BTW, the USAF denied German disc aircraft until 1995 then admitted
them through FOIA documents obtained by Jim Wilson. In the last decade
information has been released on postwar discs: Avro Canada, Boeing,
Northrop, Lockheed, and NASA.

Surely prototypes and possible some operational disc craft as well as
the black triangles have accounted for a percentage of sightings not
just around Area 51 and Roswell, but all over the world.

The previous poster left out that the German secret aerial weapons
went from Wright Field to New Mexico to Edwards then up to Area 51.
DIscs from Wright were stored at MacDill AFB until two USAF
journalists were accidently given access to a storage facility where
they witnessed both German and US jet disc types in disrepair. Their
piece was supposed to be on experimental a/c and they took photos and
were shown reels of flight tapes. When the accident was caught all
their film was confiscated and they were kicked out. That next issue
of the USAF in-house magazine was skipped and the German discs were
reportedly sent back to Wright Patterson for storage. Robert J. Lee of
US Army Intel also wrote a book in which he claims that his men came
upon one of the giant Andromeda-Gerat machines in 1945 that was over
300 ft long. It had all sensitive systems and propulsion removed. That
is the world's first true starship with what was believed to be an ion
plasma drive. Two were under construction. One was found and the other
escaped. A similar flying cigar  was seen over the US in the 1950s as
well as the Kenneth Arnold flying wings and Roswell delta (both
suspected of being Horten designs built in the US in strict secrecy).

You ask for documents and testimonies and I give you the BIOS/CIOS/
FIAT Reports, testimony of the 415th NFS and 20 & 21st BGs, patent
numbers pre-war and German-applied dic patents postwar, as well as
photographic proof of certain disc programs, and proof of US cover-ups
regarding German technology... and people like you dismiss them.
that's denial.

There are no alien reverse-engineered discs, just German ones :)

Why don't they supercede conventional combat a/c or spacecraft?
Because the Germans could barely operate them and weaponry was a
problem. So was transport due to stability problems and primitive
celestial guidance units. powerplants were revolutionary but
unpredictable.

The British MoD denied the HALO golden triangle FFX craft for years
even though British Airlines almost ran into them on several occasions
and reported the silent machine covered in gold about 30 ft span that
could stop in mid-air and then speed off at tremendous Mach numbers in
silence. Then, after years of inquiries the MoD announced HALO
existed- that's it- they never provided any photos nor any details of
the craft nor its capabilities.

Halo uses an intense electrical field to bend gravity waves and thus
pull the craft through the air. Since it is traveling within that
field it can violate many physical laws, switching direction
instantaneously and reaching hypersonic speeds only to stop in mid-air
in silence. Any manned machine would kill the pilot with 80G turns or
instant stop from Mach 10. The craft seems unmanned at this point.

So please spare me the discs, cylindricals, and triangles cannot fly
using both FFX and EMG propulsion- they got that from the Germans. It
is WW2 technology that lies hidden from view. Area 51 has had plenty
of German scientists there and it would not be surprising at all to
learn that the technology took 30 years to perfect. getting it into
space, maybe longer. Or do you subscribe to the simplistic belief that
NASA is the ONLY US space program? If so, you are sadly mistaken. The
military space programs go all the way back to WW2. Germany probably
went into space during the war- the Draeger spacesuit was designed by
1942 and the Soviets used it for their early cosmonaut development. I
am not talking about Ziller's Draeger  pressure suit, but an
articulated space suit.

Rob